Kol Saresk Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Mortarion will be at HH Weekender. Conquest has to be the Dark Angel/Blood Angel book, there is nothing else it could logically be. Umm, no offense but that logic only works if the Blood Angels/Dark Angels are not getting new models, provided the information of Forgeworld pushing back Inferno because they do not want to introduce any new models until the previously introduced models are completed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Maybe the models for book 4 are being worked on with the remainder of the models from book 2&3 so that by the time book 4 is out at the end of the year, they can have all that time to work on Inferno. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So they're pushing back new models from being introduced so they can finish the old models that have been introduced by releasing a new book that introduces new models? I think that Floridian public education is working against me right now..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 If they've had the models on the table for awhile (IW spring to mind, since their pads were done before book 3), they don't lose anything. For instance, if they've been doing Blood Angels and Dark Angels kits and we haven't seen them, they would be part of the 'in progress' work and not the 'upcoming'. Crusader_Weber says a bunch of stuff will be showcased at the HH Weekender we haven't seen. We've seen everything except torso upgrades for Alphas, Iron Warriors, and Raven Guard, models for Templars, Warders, Furies, Mor Deythan, Headhunters, Lernaeans, some of the character series, and the Primarchs (which are on a separate timetable entirely). That doesn't feel like 'a lot' to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 It would be better for a break while they release travitz and the primarchs etc, that way people can build up there armies and allow a new team to get ahead on the loyalists and army admech units etc. I'm cool with a book with maybe different FoC missions RoW and maybe fluff on pre primarch legions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Even going by primarchs alone, seven out of twelve haven't been done yet. Neither have a lot of the Terminator units. Even if BA and DA got no unique units beyond Sanguinius and Lionel, if seven out of twelve Legions are incomplete and they don't want to introduce new models until they're caught up, increasing that number to nine out of fourteen is the opposite of what they say they're doing. We don't know anything definite yet and we're all trying to pull what we can from the same limited information. But if we're hearing "no new stuff in until we finish the models from books 1-3, and book 4 is a stop gap," assuming that the new models for book 4 are finished and will be released soon along with the missing stuff from books 1-3 is hardly the "only logical" conclusion. It's possible, sure. But if the models all the way up through book 4 were already finished, why would they even say they needed to stop and catch up at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Anyone care to put together a list of what's missing from 1-3? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3660996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Including the few bits shown at the Weekender; Gorgon Terminators, Mortarion, Curze, Corax, Vulkan, Dorn, Perturabo, Alpharius, IF Wardens, Carstmen Orth, Autek Mor, Transfigured Lorgar, Lernaen Terminators, Effrit Stealth Squad, Sigismund, Pollux, Sevatar, Eidolon, Mor Deythan, Darkwing Storm Eagle... It's nearly 1am and that's all I can remember so someone else will have to continue but by the looks of it LOTS of characters, 4-6 squads and 6+ primarchs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gorgons were seen at the Open Day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Anyone care to put together a list of what's missing from 1-3? Legion Attack Bikes, Legion Land Speeders, Shabran Darr, Crysos Morturg, Durak Rask, Saul Tarvitz, Rylanor, Eidolon, Maloghurst The Twisted, Gorgon Terminators(previewed), Autek Mor, Castraman Orth, Sevatar, The Crazy Night Lords Apothecary, Firedrake Terminators(previewed), High Chaplain Rytan, Cassian Dracos, Gal Vorbak, Tyrant Siege Terminators, Iron Havocs, Erasmus Golg, Khr Valden, Headhunters, Lernaean Terminators, Exodus, Armillus Dynat, Mor Deythan, Dark Furies, Templar Brethren, Phalanx Warders, Sigismund, Polux, Mortarion, Curze, Vulkan, Lorgar Transfigured(maybe), Corax, Perturabo, Alpharius, Rogal Dorn, and a bunch of legion specific stuff like shoulder pads, Helmets and Torsos.Not to many actual squads but lots of characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think people should not hang on to the phrase "stop gap". Conquest will shape up to be an awesome book. I just wanted to stress that FW is planning on catching up to a place they are comfortable to move forward. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah, very few of those characters will get models. Only BL specific in all probability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I don't expect models for the characters either. We'll really just have to wait and see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 IIRC, the BL specific are guaranteed models. But in all probability, we won't see any non-BL models until a "free time" stage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 As far as I am concerned the team at FW can make as many "stop gaps" as need be. So long as the quality of material produced continues to meet the standard we have seen from them thus far I have no complaints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 It makes sense to use the time until Games Day to 'catch up' and release a new book. I'm just hoping they cover more loyalists. I've got an allied detachment that needs filling and only Space Wolves, Ultras, Blood Angels, and salamanders are sworn brothers with the Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think people should not hang on to the phrase "stop gap". Conquest will shape up to be an awesome book. I just wanted to stress that FW is planning on catching up to a place they are comfortable to move forward. I'm not concerned with the book, these books are incredible really and once finished could be all I play, so yes keep on putting out good books, I just need me some Gal Vorbak. Need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodhrin Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 If they've had the models on the table for awhile (IW spring to mind, since their pads were done before book 3), they don't lose anything. For instance, if they've been doing Blood Angels and Dark Angels kits and we haven't seen them, they would be part of the 'in progress' work and not the 'upcoming'. Crusader_Weber says a bunch of stuff will be showcased at the HH Weekender we haven't seen. We've seen everything except torso upgrades for Alphas, Iron Warriors, and Raven Guard, models for Templars, Warders, Furies, Mor Deythan, Headhunters, Lernaeans, some of the character series, and the Primarchs (which are on a separate timetable entirely). That doesn't feel like 'a lot' to me. And a new class of Battle Automata, and a Magos on Abeyant, and an entirely new heavy transport vehicle. We've only seen the unit leader for the Firedrakes. Also the Gal Vorbak. I make that what; 7 squads, 1 robot unit, 2+ characters, and a large-capacity tank, plus Primarchs. Then all the upgrades, Mechanicum weapon packs for the Secutors and Destructors etc etc. Seems like a fair whack to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There are a lot of models in the plastic range that can be used as stand-ins for HH made by a company called "Games Workshop" or something... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Maybe it's to represent the Great Crusade legions and the xenos and humans they fought? Would love some official rules for using Nids and Works etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 There are a lot of models in the plastic range that can be used as stand-ins for HH made by a company called "Games Workshop" or something...You could say that about the models they've released already, though! Did we need Terror Squads or Pyroclasts? Couldn't those have been converted from GW plastics? Sure, but they did them anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Oh, I'll be eagerly awaiting my Tyrant Siege Terminators, too (instead of glueing havoc ML to my CSM TDAs). It's all a matter of priority, though. Gal Vorbak, for instance, have great models in the CSM possessed (which propably every CSM player already owns because they look gorgeous, yet never used because they suck ruleswise). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm trying not to assume anything, but preparations are in order for an absence of Angels this GDhistmas. If I'm wrong that'll just make it even better. It's all good, though. Legion lore, battle reports and artwork is what the books are about for me. If anything, Book IV will only have more of those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 "STOP GAP" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Ill show you a stop gap Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289915-heresy-book-ivconquest/page/4/#findComment-3661851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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