minigun762 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Curious how well these two units blend together. One provides AA and hunts light armor while the other has AP2 and can bust open AV14. Neither are horribly expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Damn, I thought the Talons had to replace the Assault Cannon with any weapons, not the Heavy Bolters ! This unit just got a whole lot more interesting for me... Were you thinking about the skyhammer or the typhoon ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 i love stormtalons. the only option i aviod is the typhoon. The 3 skyhammer shots for cheaper seem to play out to more effect than the two options for the typoon, and thr laz works wonders against the high av stuff, especially with the rending autocannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 If I was to tun one, I would probably go for the skyhammer variant. 7 shots at ballistic skill 5, with 4 of them twin-linked is some nasty gunship power, all of that for a flier and for the cost of a sternguard squad. And it also seems to have the ceramite plating that his bigger brother has. I probably overlooked the Talon's Tactical potential, it seems ! :p Argh, I am now undecided between the 'Raven and the Talon as my first flier purchase... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Damn, I thought the Talons had to replace the Assault Cannon with any weapons, not the Heavy Bolters ! This unit just got a whole lot more interesting for me... Were you thinking about the skyhammer or the typhoon ? I'm normally in the cheap skyhammer group but I think the TML might be the better choice if you're in a meta that is heavy with MCs. Ignoring that save really helps take them out faster. Its hard to calculate it but I'm guessing two small blasts are better anti infantry compared to a three shot auto cannon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What do the Talons get from being paired with a Vindicator specifically? The Talons are multi-shot mostly medium-strength medium-ap direct fire platforms. The Vindis chuck high strength, low ap templates, and are mostly anti-infantry. I don't see how they complement each other much, even if they are both good choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What do the Talons get from being paired with a Vindicator specifically? The Talons are multi-shot mostly medium-strength medium-ap direct fire platforms. The Vindis chuck high strength, low ap templates, and are mostly anti-infantry. I don't see how they complement each other much, even if they are both good choices. I don't know what you do, but my vindicator wrecks vehicles consistently, str 10 ordinance is awesome at dropping vehicles. Yes it does well against infantry, but it is kind of wasted against infantry that isn't either high toughness or 2+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Still, what does it gain by being with the Talons? Ground tanks and airplanes don't really interact. It's just a list with Talons and a Vindi. Which isn't bad, but It has no additional synergy that I can see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 What do the Talons get from being paired with a Vindicator specifically? The Talons are multi-shot mostly medium-strength medium-ap direct fire platforms. The Vindis chuck high strength, low ap templates, and are mostly anti-infantry. I don't see how they complement each other much, even if they are both good choices.My logic is that between the two, everything is covered as far as targets. Flyers? Check! FMCs? Check! Infantry horde? Check! Marines? Check! Rhinos? Check! Terminators? Check! Etc etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3660968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Any pairing that allows you to get lots of cross functional utility out of the Heavy and Fast slots of the FOC is good. This particular pairing just screams ironhands CT's to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3661127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Any pairing that allows you to get lots of cross functional utility out of the Heavy and Fast slots of the FOC is good Exactly, this frees up scoring units to score or act as support for the heavy hitters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3662725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Any pairing that allows you to get lots of cross functional utility out of the Heavy and Fast slots of the FOC is good Exactly, this frees up scoring units to score or act as support for the heavy hitters. Dreadnaughts and Tac squads go together but don't have any actual synergy trough rules. Sometimes you just need two cheap units that combine fire or just fight in the same direction. This pair seems to do that well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3662985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 Dreadnaughts and Tac squads go together but don't have any actual synergy trough rules. Sometimes you just need two cheap units that combine fire or just fight in the same direction. This pair seems to do that well. I've never been a fan of the "super combo synergy" build, not in 40k or video games or MtG. I just like simple, solid army build ideas. Having two solid support units who can give my troops the oomph they need to succeed seems like a great idea, especially if I'm a fan of both of the models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3673700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 What do the Talons get from being paired with a Vindicator specifically? The Talons are multi-shot mostly medium-strength medium-ap direct fire platforms. The Vindis chuck high strength, low ap templates, and are mostly anti-infantry. I don't see how they complement each other much, even if they are both good choices. Simple- talons pop the transports, vindicators rip apart the juicy squads inside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3673981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 What do the Talons get from being paired with a Vindicator specifically? The Talons are multi-shot mostly medium-strength medium-ap direct fire platforms. The Vindis chuck high strength, low ap templates, and are mostly anti-infantry. I don't see how they complement each other much, even if they are both good choices. Simple- talons pop the transports, vindicators rip apart the juicy squads inside. Worse case: Vindicator pops land raider, talons shower the contents with assault cannon and rockets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289954-pairing-talons-with-vindicators/#findComment-3698032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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