AGPO Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 The trouble with the Scouring is that after a bit it just becomes standard 40k. Once the shift to chapters is made, loyalists look pretty much identical to their 40K colleagues in terms of kit and organisation, albeit without one or two technologies which wouldn't be discovered until later. Likewise the futher the traitors decline towards chaos the more they resemble 40k CSMs. In contrast, the early crusade and unification gives FW the option of producing pre-Primarch legions, Thunder Warriors and some new alien and human armies (Interex and Megarachnids anyone?) Don't get me wrong I'd love to see a scouring sourcebook, but it's nothing you couldn't do yourself with a couple of scenarios. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3665776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 There's only so much legion vs legion combat can do. Oh ye oh little faith. . . Just give me 5 minutes with Black Library and I'll show you what the broken age can do... :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3665780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyld Fireblade Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 The trouble with the Scouring is that after a bit it just becomes standard 40k. Once the shift to chapters is made, loyalists look pretty much identical to their 40K colleagues in terms of kit and organisation, albeit without one or two technologies which wouldn't be discovered until later. Likewise the futher the traitors decline towards chaos the more they resemble 40k CSMs. In contrast, the early crusade and unification gives FW the option of producing pre-Primarch legions, Thunder Warriors and some new alien and human armies (Interex and Megarachnids anyone?) Don't get me wrong I'd love to see a scouring sourcebook, but it's nothing you couldn't do yourself with a couple of scenarios. Since their is so little fluff comparatively on the scouring we do not actually know how similar it would be to 40k. The only way it would be just like 40k is if Guilliman flipped a switch and the entire galaxy magically transformed in an instant. The scouring is a period of transition and changes. The dynamic is very different from 40k. The Imperium is reinventing itself, the forces of chaos are on the run, many xenos previously crushed by mankind have a chance for vengeance, the tyranids are rare, the necrons still slumber, and the tau have not even discovered fire. I could go on much longer there are so many possibilities with the scouring. By contrast the pre-primarch great crusade (which is incredibly short as Horus is found almost immediately and Russ not too long after) has far less usable material. The legions have lees character, their identities are still forming (some do not even have names yet). Most of their battles are brief one sided affairs compared to battles in later eras. Most of their foes are other humans who are far inferior. Also, the variety of their foes is simply too great. Since most of the early Imperium's foes fell in a single battle or an extremely brief campaign it would not be practical for Forge World to produce rules and models to represent them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3666196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Scouring-era Chapters have a lot of work to do to figure out their own identities, as well. Just because they're organized as chapters doesn't mean they lost their memories of being Legionnaires. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3666198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Should the Tyranids exist in the Scouring? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3666210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyld Fireblade Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Should the Tyranids exist in the Scouring? Not sure if is supposed to be the Scouring or the Great Crusade but there are fluff references to both Russ and Guilliman battling nids. The Magarachnids might be related to them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3666232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm under the impression Megarachnids were just a species unto themselves, with little to suggest that they might be related to regular 'nids. As far as I'm concerned, the best you can hope for this early in the Imperium's history might be a genestealer cult. I'd suggest a 'no' to regular 'nids during the scouring. But, as always, that's my opinion - if anyone can provide references that'd refute the 'no' stance, I'd be only too happy to consider them. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Personally I think the Tyranids don't turn their attention to the 40k galaxy until... The Ultramarines start dicking around with the subspace beacon on the soon to be Scythes of the Emperor's homeworld of Sotha in Unremembered Empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yep, seems like an easy jump to make. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Easy, yes. Purely speculative, definitely - not that it isn't a logical progression, it's just something new and shiny in the mythos that would be incredibly convenient to explain why 'nids are nomming our galaxy and not, say, Andromeda (if they haven't been there already). ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 While I agree with Olisredan, a flat 'no' to Tyranids being present in 30k in any form beyond potential Genestealer Cults, I don't see any problem with someone devising an altogether separate Xenos breed that is similar enough to the Tyranids to allow for a 'counts-as' approach. Such as the Megarachnids. 'Course, I'm a fluff-guy, a non-player, so I shouldn't be giving advice on how to play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The previous nid codex has background that implied nid splinter fleets had reached the galaxy during the great crusades Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Unification Wars, the Great Crusade, the Scouring, the Age of Apostasy, all 13 of Abaddon's Black Crusades. Sell us that, Forge World. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Unification Wars, the Great Crusade, the Scouring, the Age of Apostasy, all 13 of Abaddon's Black Crusades. Sell us that, Forge World. But then they'd just be replacing..... You're a genius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Pre-primarch legions seem a bit bland though Thunder Warriors and Custodes on the other hand... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Pre-primarch legions seem a bit bland though Thunder Warriors and Custodes on the other hand... I don't know, big giant post-humans who just go around killing people or big giant post-humans who just guard one really big dude. Sounds pretty bland. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 FW releasing a 13th Black Crusade book, after ADB completes his Abaddon series...likely would be bliss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3667572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 FW releasing a 13th Black Crusade book, after ADB completes his Abaddon series...likely would be bliss. I'm excited for the Abaddon series but Master of Mankind trumps even that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290084-forget-the-scouring/page/3/#findComment-3668907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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