Inquisitor Kravin Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I agree that the account shown in First Heretic was a vision shown to Lorgar by a daemon and therefore not credible evidence. It largely showed Lorgar what he expected to see though it's interesting that it apparently gave him a chance to learn of the existence of Omegon. Possibly a true revelation to sell a lie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Does the Emperor even know that the Alpha Legion has twin Primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 If the vision s correct then he could have just looked through the little window of the incubator. I can't see how he wouldn't know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I agree that the account shown in First Heretic was a vision shown to Lorgar by a daemon and therefore not credible evidence. It largely showed Lorgar what he expected to see though it's interesting that it apparently gave him a chance to learn of the existence of Omegon. Possibly a true revelation to sell a lie. That wasn't Lorgar. It was Argel Tal and the other original Gal Vorbak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It largely showed Lorgar what he expected to see though it's interesting that it apparently gave him a chance to learn of the existence of Omegon. That makes no sense. You can't say "well, Alpharius and Omegon weren't actually launched in the pod together, the gods only showed it to Argel Tal that way because that's how he expected to see it" when Argel Tal has no expectation, no suspicion, hint, or inkling that Omegon is a person, factor, or concept that exists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It largely showed Lorgar what he expected to see though it's interesting that it apparently gave him a chance to learn of the existence of Omegon. That makes no sense. You can't say "well, Alpharius and Omegon weren't actually launched in the pod together, the gods only showed it to Argel Tal that way because that's how he expected to see it" when Argel Tal has no expectation, no suspicion, hint, or inkling that Omegon is a person, factor, or concept that exists. It gets even weirder when you realize Lorgar was not the one shown the vision and only knows about it through Argel Tal's retelling..... But actually, Lorgar does say that he sees well over ten thousand possible futures at some point, most likely during his own pilgrimage. Whose to say that he wasn't made aware of Omegon at that point in time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I was assuming "Lorgar saw" instead of "Argel Tal saw" there was just an error. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristeo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Sheed Ranko remembering Omegon's memories is the most reliable source for an origin. Whatever secrets the twin Primarchs are hiding, their Legionaries are willing to take those secrets to their graves. It's the ultimate reward for giving up their life for the Primarch, and Ranko seemed rather content with the knowledge. Edit: grammar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lorgar gave Alpharius two of his books, both slightly different. I think he either knew, or had been shown and considered it a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290199-the-lies-tell-the-truth-peeling-back-alpharius%E2%80%99-origin/page/2/#findComment-3667774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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