Kol Saresk Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 But the emperor helped mortarion when he said no.The Emperor beat Mortarion into submission and then killed a xenos warlord who was playing around with Chaos warp-magick. Mortarion would also bring a world into the Crusade that required manpower. Angron was essentially a gladiator who was throwing a temper tantrum and causing a massive riot that was killing high riders. It could only have been a revolution with someone more clear-headed guiding the reins, but it was never given that chance. Instead the Emperor cut a deal with the High Riders: "I get rid of Angron and you join my Imperium." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Angron is space spartacus. Well that was my view of him anyway. He being a son of the emperor deserved his fathers help! The emperor made angron, where he could have saved him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Angron was a chump who let himself be enslaved. Not once. Not twice. But three times. Pssh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 But the emperor helped mortarion when he said no.The Emperor beat Mortarion into submission and then killed a xenos warlord who was playing around with Chaos warp-magick. Mortarion would also bring a world into the Crusade that required manpower. Angron was essentially a gladiator who was throwing a temper tantrum and causing a massive riot that was killing high riders. It could only have been a revolution with someone more clear-headed guiding the reins, but it was never given that chance. Instead the Emperor cut a deal with the High Riders: "I get rid of Angron and you join my Imperium." The Emperor fought Mortarion? Is this new stuff? He challenged him. Mortarion went up the mountain or whatever. Failed. And his last concious moments were seeing the Emperor slaying his former father. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 To be fair to the Emperor, should "I DIDN'T unleash the XII Legion and let my brain damaged son lead them in the slaughter of every man, woman, and child on Nuceria" really count as a The Emperor is a :cuss moment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Because the Emperor is a 20+ year old one-dimensional plot device that is only recently (per the HH novels) being given depth. Also, different BL authors have different interpretations of the Emperor. Our all-powerful lord A D-B tends to depict him as a bloodthirsty tyrant who has no idea how to raise his sons. ADB had some interesting things to say about the Emperor here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289272-upcoming-horus-heresy-books/page-2?do=findComment&comment=3648518 Excerpt: It's the Emperor. If something's mentioned about him in the lore, it'll be fair game to include in Master of Mankind. The big man himself has a lot of apparent inconsistencies that need justifying and vindicating, but a book from his POV where he walks around apologising or justifying all his decisions would be a thin veneer over a pointless story. I don't want to see inside his head. I don't care what he's thinking, or why. I don't think we deserve to know, or that we could understand it if we did know. What I care about is his impact on the nascent and emergent Imperium, his impact on his sons, and what it's like to be one of those nearby him. What's it like to fight alongside the Emperor of Mankind? What's it like to see shadows and suggestions of his arcane/alchemical/magical/mechanical plots, schemes, and plans? What's it like to have a conversation with him? What would he say? Would you hear what he's really saying, or would your mind filter it into something comprehensible on a mortal level? This is a man that was almost strangled by an ork, yet whose corpse is powerful enough to scream psychically for ten thousand years and cut a blade of light through the Warp itself. This a man who has seen eras begin and end; cultures rise and fall; who has conquered the cradle-world with techno-barbarians and then conquered the galaxy with supersoldiers constructed with technology reclaimed from a near-forgotten Golden Age by implanting certain aspects that same technology into children and adolescents. He has lied to his sons, and acted in ways that - to all intents and purposes - look like the worst father ever imaginable. He's made decisions that, to us, look like raw madness given the capabilities of the beings he was trying to deceive. Telling the most psychic creature in the galaxy (except himself) "Hey, Magnus, leave the Warp alone now." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290294-angron/page/2/#findComment-3669731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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