Daylight Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I was re-reading Betrayer earlier (probably my favorite HH book so far) and started thinking of maybe starting a WE force before they got the Butcher's Nails. What are the chances of a force of marines, maybe a company or chapter or so, of the World Eaters having been separate from the main body of the legion when the nails started getting implanted, and then just never choosing to have the nails implanted in themselves? I really like the color scheme, and I kind of want to make a force that is a little more focused on ranged combat than the average WE force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I see no reason why you couldn't have a Crusade Era force without the nails. Or a Terran Praetor who refuses the nails for his company. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 You can have a ranged WE army with the nails. They are not mutually exclusive. The WE were famous for 'thunder runs' with their armored formations, if you like tanks. If armor isn't your thing you can still do a force focused on heavy and special weapons. Just make sure you choose the Bloodlust rule instead of the Blood Madness rule before the game begins to represent them having more self control. The absolute beauty of the Legion list is that you have the freedom to do as you please and make the army that feels right for you, instead of being pigeonholed like a Codex Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Forge World books don't imply that all World Eaters had nails until after Isstvan. After then it was effectively mandatory. However, about 40000 World Eaters are thought not to be at Isstvan. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from having a World Eater legion army, although to be fluffy it would 'need' to be pre-heresy or Loyalist. I was planning on a World Eater force that was loyal. The fleet had fought itself with most of the Nailed turning traitor. Those that stays loyal were put into the Rampager squads, lead by Chaplains who will execute those that have the nails take over. This was back when I was thinking of using Blood Angels rules before FW books started. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Forge World books don't imply that all World Eaters had nails until after Isstvan. After then it was effectively mandatory. However, about 40000 World Eaters are thought not to be at Isstvan. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from having a World Eater legion army, although to be fluffy it would 'need' to be pre-heresy or Loyalist. I was planning on a World Eater force that was loyal. The fleet had fought itself with most of the Nailed turning traitor. Those that stays loyal were put into the Rampager squads, lead by Chaplains who will execute those that have the nails take over. This was back when I was thinking of using Blood Angels rules before FW books started. Awesome idea for some loyalist World Eater's brother. Nice use of the Chaplain Consul, too. *jots down notes furiously* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Wow, yeah. These are some awesome ideas. Thanks guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Not all World Eaters had the Nails. Betrayal mentions that even at Isstvan III, the decision of who had to die in the virus bombing was not based on whether the Legionary in question was a Terran (Khârn himself was a Terran) or whether he had the Nails (for there were precious few such individuals by that point). If you want some fluff/model inspiration, check out my 77th Battle Company. A World Eaters line company led by a Centurion who both lacked the Nails and spent a decade embedded with the Iron Warriors. I'm very fluff-centric, and if I can justify it, then so can you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Awesome idea for some loyalist World Eater's brother. Nice use of the Chaplain Consul, too. *jots down notes furiously* Loyalist at heart. One of the many many MANY legions armies I want to do but I'm forcing myself to do one at a time and not start a new one until the current is finished. I've even got ideas for loyalist Night Lords. But on topic, most things could be done (anything can be done really). If you like fluff for your armies then there are plenty of ways of doing it legit. Then you also have the idea of performance over style. World Eater rules are tailored to close combat, so if you avoid it you won't benefit as much. And the legion specific units won't be that suited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Or a Terran Praetor who refuses the nails for his company. This, times a billion. I'd love to see a War Hound army as well, that'd rule. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Say they are were a chapter, containing several former Librarians who couldn't have them implanted, who were part of a Conscription/Initiate fleet that heard of Nikea before intending on re-joining the Legion at Isstvan, caught in a warp storm and when it breaks, Librarians have intercepted astropathic signal informing of the betrayal. Conflict lead to loyalist ones winning before initiates/raw marines had the Nails put in.....think the twins in Outcast Dead were without them so there is justification for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 I think I might have to officially start a World Eaters force now. Thanks for the ideas everyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290327-world-eaters-without-the-nails/#findComment-3668885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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