WarriorFish Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Maybe something as simple as a different colour for the angel? You don't have to pick individual bits out and it will still be noticeable without stealing all the attention. For the coat of arms maybe you should do some research to try and find something you like before picking up a brush/transfer sheet? There is a lot of heraldic history out there so I'm sure something will inspire you :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 It's not that I dislike the symbols, it's more that most transfers availible to me are too small. My original plan was to put a big white ravenguard symbol in the middle of the 4 colours and give it some light green/golden ivory around it. At the time I did not have the symbol though, now I do.. or I will when FW gets around to send it^^. In the worst case scenario, I have spares of the current transfers on the shield. As for the angel.. hoe about a golden wash? it will keep it's original silvery look but it will jump out a bit more because of the golden glow that come from it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think something less metallic might be better, the Knight is already covered in metal so maybe something a bit different to break it up a little? What about a stone like appearance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Stone? The obvious question aside why someone would consider stone as an ornamental piece on a forge world. However marble could potentially be interesting. It is not uncommon for SM for examplento carry holy relics into battle, maybe this is one of mine? I mean a knight house that semi adheres to the imperial cult surely has some holy items to show off... I'll think about it. Maybe someone here has got an idea what else it could be done as ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter h Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think your best choice would be to make it appear laminated,over steel,or perhaps wood. The concept would be like some of the clock pieces in Germany ,or Belgium. A figure as you said with relic status,IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Don't Overdo the blood,after all,unless it was a frikking tyranid titan,chances are there was not that much blood in his victim. I'd go with a lot of scraped metal,oil over blood personally Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter h Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I agree with ,Hendrik. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Now that you say it.. it actually does make friggin' sense There's more blood on his feet than his sword Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3684465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share Posted May 16, 2014 Ugh, I need to take a break from doing this Knight. I just was this close to quitting when I hurled my brush across the room. I can not make the gold work. The best I have is too thin and does not cover the base coat while the other is too.. orange. I'll do my veterans and Chimera and come back to it when I feel ready (and stripped the majority of the paints because it is all uneven and looks too dirty when you are up close). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 have you tried painting a red or yellow colour underneath it first? it's a common technique used when applying actuall goldleaf on something. What sort of a gold are you going for? as there are dozens of golds out there! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hendrik's got some good advice there. Personally I always used a brown under the older, thinner GW paints. Before that I too had screaming fits at how poorly gold covered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 I tried it alrrady with the brown, it made ot too dark in the end. You see, I was aiming for very pale gold and GW Auric Gold Armour seem to fit the bill perfectly, only it is bascially golden water and does not cover even the lightest base. The only way to cover something is to do a lot of layer with this application, which, in turn, looks uneven and dirty. But anyway, for now I need to take a step back and look at it with fresh eyes because I feel that my vision is getting lost. If all else fails I might strip as much paint as I can and then chaos black prime spray is again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 http://masterdarksol.blogspot.be/2012/11/5http://masterdarksol.blogspot.be/2012/11/5-step-gold.html-step-gold.html this one might help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Take a break from it, big projects can be a burden so I like to split them up with smaller bits elsewhere to help you come back to them refreshed :) Auric is a bit of a pain, try giving it a really, really good long shake as that's what saved my pot from uselessness. It also gives me a good shot of finishing my Baneblade before your Knight... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Next step will certainly be to ambush that pro painter that is sometimes in my FLGS and get some on the spot hints and tricks out of him.. with a blubt instrument if I have to :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'm sure you could just ask nicely :P I'm busy at work on my Baneblade, I reckon I can have it finished by the end of the day ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3690987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'm busy at work on my Baneblade, I reckon I can have it finished by the end of the day ;)by holy terra I hope you're not a heart surgeon! :PI'm working on my manticore. The camouflage is finished,only detailing and weathering left to do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Okay, I have come to a conclusion. Stripping paint, base coating with black and restarting. The question now is: scheme. The old one captured the warhammer fantasy and knightly image fairly well but it failed on 2 fronts, representing Ravenholdt and the Ecclesiarchic feel. Black, white and Silver are the main colours of ravenholdt while ecclesiarchy brings red and gold into the mix. It is a house with a dark past and they live on a gothic world with gothic horrors like ghouls and vampires preying on the folk. The house stood as a symbol of hope so full black knight is too dark and oppressing. Red Knight would be tok mechanicus. White marbel as main colour or together with black is an option, almost like house griffith or whatever it's called. On the world is a shrine of a saint and the church is build around it, so angelic colours images are welcome. It is basically a 40k version of Innistrad from MTG, maybe someone can offer some colour scheme advice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 how about doing both colour shemes, half and half? so half black white and silver while the other half is red and gold? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Based on what you have said, this is how I would paint it - with some paint suggestions: Inner mechanical parts, such as the back of legs and other parts not covered by armour plates, Weapon barrels and Chainsword blade - Dark Silver, Probably Leadbelcher GW paint shaded with Agrax Earthshade and Highlighted with Ironbreaker. Armour Plates, - White. But more of a dirty looking white. Building up from a grey basecoat with blood splatters and mud/weathering marks. *Except Knee Pads, left Pauldron (with angel) and Shield on right shoulder - Half and Half, Red and Black. *And Chainsword which I would paint with Chevrons - so Black and Yellow. Armour Trim - Gold, but a darker looking gold. I use Balthasar Gold, shaded with Agrax Earthshade and drybrushed with Gehenna's Gold to highlight. It looks good. Faceplate could be painted differently too. Perhaps opposite quarters red and black. Obviously the details would be yours to decide after but I think this will give a nice base for what you're after and using all the colours you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 made a paint mock up while sewing some medieval joined hosen: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/knighttitan_zps0ac5b4a8.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'm not sure, I think you might need to take a step back and reconsider what you want perhaps? They're all about the knightly appearance right? That doesn't mean the entire model needs to have all the suitable colours on, just the heraldic bits like the shield and pauldrons for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Based on what you have said, this is how I would paint it - with some paint suggestions: ... Thanks, it was close to what I was thinking. I wanted to make the armour plates white with the marbel effect so washing with nuln oil + lahmian medium 50/50, works very well. The machine parts with loadbelcher + necron compound, washing with aggrax + medium and highlights with ironbreaker. Here is the thing though, pure white looks too innocent and does not hold the weight that black does. made a paint mock up while sewing some medieval joined hosen: ... That is a good start, though I think that red needs to be relegated into a secondary colour. The half/half idea is pretty good though. I'm not sure, I think you might need to take a step back and reconsider what you want perhaps? They're all about the knightly appearance right? That doesn't mean the entire model needs to have all the suitable colours on, just the heraldic bits like the shield and pauldrons for example. That is true, it is the feeling and atmosphere that matters when you look at it. I need to find a middle ground between terrifying, oppressive and hopeful, benevolent. Protect the innocent and smite the unclean. And neither blue nor green for example do not really fit the bill. Here are some images I use as inspiration: The Evil: http://static.squarespace.com/static/52b99140e4b02ffea75851ab/52b9923ce4b041c2720b0a15/52b9923ce4b041c2720b0b1a/1387893309856/3400731-14515350-thumbnail.jpg http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/uytsdrtyuhijkishfjskdnmfd.jpg http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/91/159/635032495519251248.jpg http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1378/37/1378370091471.jpg http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dark-Ascension-New-Art-4.jpg http://hhbrady.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/powerwolf-blood-of-the-saints-cover.jpg http://www.welovemetal.com/newsite/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/492_powerwolf_RGB.jpg The Good: http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/boab/boab199_7t8umvwol8.jpg http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/boab/boab199_jb0imjxi9w.jpg http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feature191a_3lnkg9lgyi.jpg http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feature191a_85tsdtn6x7.jpg http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/stf/stf182_door.jpg http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/54/5b/545b5e09e164f6473a8613c8232eb2f3.jpg?itok=YAytb46S http://31.media.tumblr.com/5d37898f0ac80210cb0af597716eb8c0/tumblr_mrwem9Tv511ri1r1uo1_1280.jpg The World: http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf162_township.jpg http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/266/2/c/gavony_by_jungpark-d4aql2n.jpg http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf162_plains.jpg That is not to say that House Ravenholdt is purely good, they are also flexible with morality like turning heretics into pseudo-flagellants so that they can return to grace in the eyes of the Emperor. But ultimately they are good at heart and stand up for the light to honour the Chapter they once served, the Saint that once walked this world, the Emperor and Mankind. Imagine those warriors with a host of angels crashing with a force of darkness and corruption. What would an Imperial Knight amongst them looks like? Holy Symbols obviously, a small reference to honour the AdMech who tend the the Knight and wearing the colours of the House. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 how about a half-half black and white sheme? make the black side have all sorts of spikey bits, and the white site very ornate? spikey bits don't have to mean chaos. they imperial guard on the apocalypse cover are a perfect example of spikey loyalist imperial guard! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 That's alright. I see what you mean about the white being too innocent though. Having seen those pictures, it seems that how I suggested would fit in very nicely with the white and gold robes some of the characters are wearing. But I still find it hard to picture it with so much white. You know what I mean. Like I made that suggestion with a very clear picture in my mind based on reading through this topic and seeing your description of your knightly house - it was the first scheme I thought of reading your post and the one that stuck. Yet even though it was exactly how the artwork portrays it there was something in my mind that just did not seem right with all that white. Taking my suggestion as a base, perhaps there are more patches of black and red that could be added to it to break up the colours some more? I'm liking Hendrik's thoughts too - although i'll have another think myself and perhaps get a mock up like he did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290460-etl-iii-vow-imperial-knight/page/2/#findComment-3691416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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