ETL III Vow - Imperial Knight

[Frater Cornelius]

Black seems to be very fitting for some areas, but taking it exactly half/half would sorta make it look like a chess board. If there would be a more natural transition from white to black. Another option would be to stick with all white but draw black symbols freehand like the aquila or something, though that would still leave me with the problem of too much white.

 

Colouring the Knight appropriately is harder than foot troops. Even though I am still not sure how to colour them. Probably a mix between the Riders and that Sean Connery lookalike general: make the clothing black, silver armour, then add some cloth like flag, the croth cloth some space marines wear or tabard and make it white with golden trim/symbols. This will be a perfect mix between silver, gold black and white. Then add red to the glowy bits like eyes and you have yourself some holy badasses. How can this be translated into the Knight, he obviously is not wearing any tabard or cloth pieces.

Suppose the golden trim with Balthasar Bronze + Gehenna's Gold, glowy bits being red and ornate pieces like symbols being mostly silver is pretty much set in stone. It is the distribution of black and marble white that is the real question.

[WarriorFish]

Your house is clearly Germanic in theme, for me that brings up colours such as black, grey with white and gold with silver and red - like noble templars! As such I'm liking the sound of your latest idea, if you mix in enough of the colours I think it won't look too "dark" and will retain the knightly appearance. Depending on how much time you have (and considering repainting issues) maybe you could paint more of it white as a start and then fill in parts with other colours (e.g. the black) as you go until you find a compromise you're happy with? The Knight model is clearly segmented so it shouldn't be too hard to visualise it as you go.

[Dark_Apostle_XVII]

 

Just put this together. How is that, much more of an equal showing of black, red and white.

[Frater Cornelius]

Your house is clearly Germanic in theme, for me that brings up colours such as black, grey with white and gold with silver and red - like noble templars! As such I'm liking the sound of your latest idea, if you mix in enough of the colours I think it won't look too "dark" and will retain the knightly appearance. Depending on how much time you have (and considering repainting issues) maybe you could paint more of it white as a start and then fill in parts with other colours (e.g. the black) as you go until you find a compromise you're happy with? The Knight model is clearly segmented so it shouldn't be too hard to visualise it as you go.

 

I do not think that white needs to be the main colour. As with the troops, white is the colour of the cloth while the base is black. I see black more like a 'base' colour, more in quantity while white is the 'layer' with less quantity but on more meaningful spots. The Templar analogy is very good, in fact I didn't notice how similar the setup of the House is with them. They are like the Baroque/Gothic era Templars.

 

 

 

 

 

Just put this together. How is that, much more of an equal showing of black, red and white.

 

That be DOPE. While there is a bit too much red, the general idea is very promising. I especially like the idea of making own segmentation and not sticking to the Knight's. I will build on that.

 

In fact, I have gotten an even more awesome idea. The main colour of black, there is a way to make it look noble and not oppressive while still keeping its monumental look: black base, thn mix GW White Scar with Lahmian Medium and apply is as a wash on the black. That way it will be a bit lighter and look like black marble, while some maningful white + gold spots and holy symbols on shoulders and knee pads give it that extra edge. That will result in it looking monumental and intimidating like a cathedral with the black marble but appear as holy icon at the same time. With that setup I can keep the red to a minimum and relegate it to symbols and glowy bits.

 

Like so: Remove all red, that makes the upper plate and the 2 leg plates fully black. Add that marble effect to them. Keep the white on the shoulders and chest and add golden stuff to it. The Coat of Arms shield will be fully black with a white raven symbol surrounded by silver, golden, red and green laurels/inscription. Make eyes glow red and add red elements amongst the golden/black icons on the white shoulders, the crotch flag and the top flag which I will be attaching. And hazard stripes on chainsword interrupted by scratches and oil given how he massacres solid matter.

There, once I strip the decals and transfers and strip the stick colours I will begin by basing him white on runefang steel and then add abbadon black on whatever parts I decide to be black.

[WarriorFish]

Seems to me like you've got something to work with now Immer :) I like the baroque and gothic themes so if you could work any of that in it'd be even cooler. I look forward to seeing what you get up to :D

[Frater Cornelius]

Well he damn well deserves a proper paint job. He was amazing in every game I used him in. And he was downright the star in my recent mini-apoc game. 6k points on either side 4v4 (no Lords of War) with me bringing 2k IG with the Knight. It wasn't that he made his point back, or that he killed crucial enemies or survived throughout the game. No, he literally BROKE the scenario we were playing making it impossible for the enemy team to win after the 2nd turn. The opponents were defending and had to hold 2 points on their side, which were the 2 weapon attachments of the Fortress of Redemption. It was buffed by scenario rules making it av15, giving -1 on the pen chart and immune to melta. We had 1 objective in our zone.

So, what happened? We went second and the Knight, due to 12" movement, reaches the fortress and charges it blowing up one of the weapon attachments. Turn 2, they did not manage to kill him and he blew up the second attachment with his S-D melee and in the process killed over 500 points worth of units camping that part of the fortress. With the 2 objectives destroyed there was only one left that was in our zone which was held by my fearless 30man blob, of which 23 died in the end. But they couldn't get past our Leman Russ line. Even our GM had to laugh at that, though he wasn't happy to see his fortress getting blown into a pieces.. he still made a crap ton of photos of it

He needs to look worthy of his legacy

Seems to me like you've got something to work with now Immer I like the baroque and gothic themes so if you could work any of that in it'd be even cooler. I look forward to seeing what you get up to

I will try, though I have no idea what else to add. Additional flags will look silly. Can't really attach a cathedral tower to him, can I. Maybe put a stone gargoyle on his back? Like the ones you see on some Gothic architecture using Vampire Count models? But even that looks more evil. I mean look at the cathedral in the 'world' images in the inspiration post. Representing that kind of style on a Knight in impossible outside of the monumental and holy feel, unless you have modelling idea or what things too attach. One thing I was planning was to get him 2 Cherubim style servo skulls. Angel wings but a flying servitor thingy that looks like a ghost in robes (Vampire Count model) flying around him, enforcing the mech part but the holiness as well. Let me know if you have more ideas in addition to potential gargoyle up top and the 'ghosts'.

[WarriorFish]

Sometimes less is more anyway, get started on him and maybe something will come to you as you work? If not you can always add stuff later :) All that aside a Knight is impressive enough anyway so he'll probably look more than good enough when you're done!

[hendrik]

You could always paint a motive on the armour parts in a slightly lighter or darker colour,ala warhammer fantasy the green knight.

[Frater Cornelius]

Okay, after some colour stripping I have returned to modelling.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ZyJ2iJj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oMhhxyG.jpg

 

That is a sort of Gargoyle there. I have a reason for putting him up there and that imagery will have a pretty nice back story, which I will share once the modelling is done. In short, they are the stone 'devils' that come to life and chase after those who strayed too far from the light. They show you the laws you have broken and crimes you have committed and punish you for them, or so the townsfolk say when they see those towering watchers sitting silently on the cathedrals. Maybe there is a speck of truth to it..

He will get those shoulder cloth stripes and some crotch cloth like seen in this image: http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/54/5b/545b5e09e164f6473a8613c8232eb2f3.jpg?itok=YAytb46S to give him that dark holy enforcer feel.

 

I have a question now: do I add wings? A gargoyle looks much more natural with wings, but given the large nature of the ones I have here, it might make it look a bit top heavy or, if put on the side, might cover the spires.

 

Like so:

http://i.imgur.com/nezFsgt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qxyJYE8.jpg

 

Comments?

[WarriorFish]

I think it might be a little too large, it might be best to concentrate on finishing the Knight with a scheme you're happy with and return to additions after that?

[Frater Cornelius]

Yeah, wings wont fit the bill, I just realized. Also I'd like to get some modelling done before I get the paint on. I'll get a better picture done once I get the robes done, this time with the entire model, so you'll see that the gargoyle on it's own is en par with the size of the knight.

 

But it ain't done until it's a walking church at the very least :D

[Frater Cornelius]

They told me I couldn't make a walking church...

 

http://i.imgur.com/FKiJ659.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U0tMs8V.jpg

 

...They were wrong :D

 

Next step is fill gaps with Green Stuff and cut it off where I put too much of it.

After that I'll start colouring. The last modeeling details require it to b actually painted more or less.

 

[WarriorFish]

Now you've just got to paint it! :lol:

[Thorrick]

Just wanted to firstly say an inspiring plog, great paintork on the knight so far and loving the conversions. With that in mind I'm currently in the middle of m own knight build and was looking to add something a little extra and then I came across your use of the Angel Banner on the shoulder pad and was wondering if you'd mind if I stole the idea?

Please keep up the great work, I'll be following it closely.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Frater Cornelius]

You are welcome to use it and thanks for those kind words. I just want to note that this project is currently on hold seeing as I need a lot of bitz that will arrive via mail from the US bloody A. Until my package arrives, I will work on my Veterans ;)

[Thorrick]

You are welcome to use it and thanks for those kind words. I just want to note that this project is currently on hold seeing as I need a lot of bitz that will arrive via mail from the US bloody A. Until my package arrives, I will work on my Veterans

Ah yes, the only real problem with doing conversions and kit bashes on this scale, the number of parts can be large to say the least Always something else to work on though.

[Frater Cornelius]

You are welcome to use it and thanks for those kind words. I just want to note that this project is currently on hold seeing as I need a lot of bitz that will arrive via mail from the US bloody A. Until my package arrives, I will work on my Veterans

Ah yes, the only real problem with doing conversions and kit bashes on this scale, the number of parts can be large to say the least Always something else to work on though.

In fact it is the Judicator of the Protectorate of Menoth from Warmachine^^ I need more holiness in my Knight ;)

[Thorrick]

You are welcome to use it and thanks for those kind words. I just want to note that this project is currently on hold seeing as I need a lot of bitz that will arrive via mail from the US bloody A. Until my package arrives, I will work on my Veterans

Ah yes, the only real problem with doing conversions and kit bashes on this scale, the number of parts can be large to say the least Always something else to work on though.

In fact it is the Judicator of the Protectorate of Menoth from Warmachine^^ I need more holiness in my Knight

I'll be sure to look in from time to time, sounds like one heck of a conversion :) I'm not going for the holy look myself but rather the Angelic, I'm planning on using my Knight as a link between both my Imperial Guard and Blood Angels forces and hence will be incorporating bitz and markings from both. I'm just hoping I can pull it off without ruining the model.

[Frater Cornelius]

How, aren't you painting him blue? Blue is the complete opposite colour of red.

[Idlem]

I love the whole gothic church thing he's got going on his back. It's a great conversion.