Emperor's Furor Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'm weighing up what legion to go with and I have some points and questions that I could use some outside advice on. I'm a huge Imperial Fists fan, and I've read their article in Extermination and love the added fluff of companies coming from one distinct world and thus gaining their own unique company character and emblem. However on the rules front I'm slightly disappointed. I have a 40k marine army and to be honest if they weren't blue and green (Warmongers) they'd basically be 40k Imperial Fists, which is kind of at the heart of why I'm hesitant to create a 30k imperial fists army, to me the only difference seems to be the characters everything else seems to be just like their 40k doctrines which encourage defensive tactics. They don't have bolter drill but that's been replaced by making them BS 5 when firing bolt weapons, and the various other equipment and rules just feel like a slight twist on the doctrines from the 40k codex, yes they get a unique boarding shield unit but tbh they are pretty poor considering the points cost. When weighing up my decision whether to go with the fists it really came out on the negative side, yes there's Sigismund and Dorn but beyond that, do I want to play another army that is basically the same as my 40k army? I'm just not sure the Imperial Fists traits and Rites of War offer me a different enough style of play from playing them in 40k. However the Dark Angels kind of tick a lot of boxes in what I want for a legion. I want them to be loyalists, I would like them to have a different scheme to their 40k counterparts, I want cool, old/unique weaponry to be a feature. I want them to have rules that don't exclusively support rock hard defenses and massed ranged fire power as I want a change. As noted the Imperial Fists don't really tick any of these boxes, but on the face of it the Dark Angels could do, they are loyalist (at least as far as we know so far), they have a different scheme, although it's black and highlighting has never been my strongest skill, they have old exotic weaponry due to being the first legion. Then there's the final point, what will their general legion skills be based on, from what I know they tend to be stubborn like fists, they kind of replace the fists favourite weaponry of missiles and bolters with plasma, they have skilled blade masters like Corswain which remind me of Sigismund and the Templars, so how do you think the Legion traits and Rite of War will revolve for them, will they be aggressive or defensive like the fists? Am I missing a point? Should I wait and see, or should I just stop over thinking things? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Can you say no to this face? :D http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/1de8c45bcb8961d3629dc41d51952e25_zps081372b8.jpg I'm hoping they will be awesome and I've started collecting with volkites, plasma, beam weapons, and archeotech in mind. Speculation is is that they will be well rounded, but have a rite of war for each of the 6 wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 No way they'd give them a rite of war for each wing, brother :P . That's 5 more than everyone else. I bet what you do get is a Rite of War in addition to the other 4, for 5 total and you can do the wings that way on your own :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 But everyone will gain more RoW as we progress :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Well let's hope they finish the other 7 Legions first before everyone else gets more goodies :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gab Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Can you say no to this face? :D http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/1de8c45bcb8961d3629dc41d51952e25_zps081372b8.jpg I'm hoping they will be awesome and I've started collecting with volkites, plasma, beam weapons, and archeotech in mind. Speculation is is that they will be well rounded, but have a rite of war for each of the 6 wings. Love the hobby beverage! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's Calibanite ale!!! Brewed with cold vengeance for that extra "je ne sais pas"! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3672988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Join the original legion, you won't be disappointed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3673038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I think you got the gist of how the 1st legion works. What you'll probably also see is rules that encourage cooperation and combined arms tactics between the independent wings of the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3673053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I hope all the Legions to do have strong rules, and the Primarchs too, who from the fluff, are top tier, like the Khan, Russ, the Angel, the Lion. In particular the White Scars - something to reflect their savage nature. Maybe +1WS when outnumbering in close combat would be fluffy and useful, + other Legion benefits, like the Night Lords. The Dark Angels.hmmm. hopefully strong and ancient tech. Something to reflect their knightly skill and 1st Legion equipment and tactical skill. Say.... Models may buy Volkite for X points, gain preferred enemy in combat and may reroll reserves. As suggested in the other thread, kind of :) Either way, the remaining Legions should all have juicy rules for the Primarchs and Legions. Oh, and the Keshig. Hopefully 2 wound Cataphractii. After all, they defeated the Deathshroud in Scars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3673121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losark Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The Keshig Didn't Defeat The Deathshroud In Scars. They FoughT Them On Equal Footing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3683020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Hmm. I always thought they did. Thanks, I will reread Scars. Praetors of Calth has a great thread on the speculated Legion Rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3683104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 It's Calibanite ale!!! Brewed with cold vengeance for that extra "je ne sais pas"! Je ne sais quoi ;). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3683119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 It's Calibanite ale!!! Brewed with cold vengeance for that extra "je ne sais pas"!Je ne sais quoi ;). Merde. My French teacher must be rolling in her grave lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3683298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I really hope those filthy traitors are nothing like my Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3683299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Extermination offers an interesting bit about the Angels: while subsequent Legions went through a system of indoors and field trials until they were refined and 'released' on their own, the 1st Legion is referred to as being an exception to this. Which explains their 'Wings' and technology. They weren't just the sole Space Marine force available: they were complete jacks of all trades. Also, they must have some pretty awesome and ancient Terran officers. Let's hope :) Apart from that, there's also mention of the Angels' "dolorous bladework", which might indicate some inclination towards 'Knightish' warfare. So we might see a Templar-like unit. In Terminator armour, if I might be so bold... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Apart from that, there's also mention of the Angels' "dolorous bladework", which might indicate some inclination towards 'Knightish' warfare. So we might see a Templar-like unit. In Terminator armour, if I might be so bold... Let's fethin hope so!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 My guess is that the Angels' characters might be the key to provide the 'Wings' effect, allowing them to reflect the 40K version. I can see a Bike/Jetbike-unlocking character, at least. The other one I don't know, it might be Corswain (though he'd be more suited to a Thramas book, if one is planned) but a Deathwing-esque one would make sense. A badass terminator Terran officer, for example, linked to the aforementioned Templar-like unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I was thinking that when the Dark Angels do appear it will be centred around Thramas, hopefully with some Night Lord reinforcements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 I was under the impression the Dark Angel book would be about Thramas, although I had also heard it may be the second battle of paramar to, so not sure.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 The Dark Angels are to make an appearance in the Signus book, centered on the Dark Angels. The dark ones will be battling Dark Mechanicus on a planet called Signum, if I'm not mistaked. This was supposed to be Book 4 but, with the stated plans for Book 4 for take it slow and let FW pick up the pace on the ruled/produced minis ratio, I'm not so sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Oh right, a Dark Mechanicus list would be cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Plus think of the beatiful Dark Mecha units we'd get... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 The dark angels are supposed to be fighting on the World Eater supply depot/forge world of Sarum. Though the siege of diamat would be nice too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Sarum, that's it. And only now did I make the connection between the planet and the breather mask...:( Oooh, Dark Angels vs 'Eaters and Dark Mechanicum...sounds mighty fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290534-will-dark-angels-be-very-different-to-imperial-fists/#findComment-3684596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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