++Discussion Area: New Space Wolves Codex Bet Thread++

[Valerian]

This really should be number 1 as it is a certainty,

 

1.  Once rumors of codex contents hit the web, the cries of doom and gloom will match those heard on Prospero.

 

Because it is a certainty, is exactly why I didn't bother including that as a question.  Everyone knows that the answer is 'Yes', so there is no reason to ask it.  I'm only including issues which could conceivably go either way.

 

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[Arez]

have all the special characters that are in the current dex always been there?

[Rift Blade]

44-Ragnar gets Warlord trait to Drop pod entire army including assaulting off the Deep Strike--His Great Company are the masters of the Claws Of Russ are they not?

45-Iron Priest gets option to upgrade/cyber buff his Thunder Wolf-claws replaced with power weapons anyone?

46-Wargear list expanded to include most the special trinkets vanilla marines get--digi weapons, auxiliary grenade launchers--we don't give back prizes taken in battle

47-Wolf Guard Battle Ldrs get a point adjust or unique buff to make them more viable

48-Wolf Scouts get a 1 in 3 chance to destroy a single  unit of opponents army in reserve--hey, they operate behind enemy lines, sometimes for years at atime

49-Thunder Wolf Cavalry get more options--they're the elite Wolf Guard. Elite of the Elite.

50-Whirl Winds get an Anti-air option & can be taken in packs of 1-3

[Valerian]

have all the special characters that are in the current dex always been there?

 

No, there have been quite a few changes over the years.  Logan and Ragnar have been present throughout, as well as Ulrick.  Njal was present in RT and 2e, missing in the 3e codex, and back in 5e.  Arjak, Lucas, and Canis are all new as of 5e.  Bjorn was present in 2e, missing in 3e, and back in 5e.  There are several old special characters in the 2e dex that haven't been seen since (Ranulf, Durfast, and a Wolf Lord whose name is escaping me right now).

 

Quite a bit of variety, actually.

 

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[Valerian]

Any other recommendations for the bet thread?  We're already at o/a 50 questions, but if we get what I would consider a recommendation for a 'stronger' question, then I'll drop one of the 'weaker' ones.  Remember, once the questions have been firmly established, we'll start the second phase of this project, which is to place our bets.

 

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[skeletoro]

51. Wolf guard will be able to lead skyclaws and 51b- the cost of jump packs and bikes for wolf guard will drop substantially, making them viable pack leaders for sky/swift claws.

52. Lone wolves will be able to purchase infiltrator or Behind enemy lines.

[Arez]

52. Lone wolves will be able to purchase infiltrator or Behind enemy lines.

Why? They are suppose to walk up the battlefield to the biggest baddest enemy and kill it,why would they need behind enemy lines and infiltrator to do that?

[skeletoro]

umm, define 'supposed'?

[Valerian]

Now that 7e has been out on the streets for a over a week, anyone want to recommend any additional questions to include in the "bet thread"?  I'm thinking the new edition of the rules should generate quite a few new possibilities for us to consider.

 

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[skeletoro]

I'll likely have some after blood angels get a new codex. It'll be instructive to see how much they change, how much is just to bring them in line with 7th and c:sm versus how much actual new stuff they get that maintains/extends their uniqueness as a chapter. E.g. whether they get their psychic powers back (I would expect so but who knows?), whether they get centurions, stalkers, hunters, etc etc.

 

Here's a bet: we'll see at least two formations in the codex, potentially tied to a discount battle force box (ala strike force ultra) and likely further formations as digital releases. Likely 'themes':

 

Drop pods with wolf lord (or ragnar)

New flyer(s)

Wolf pack flanking force (like the apoc one)

Something extra wulfen-like, perhaps akin to Bran Redmaw's apoc formation: a bunch of grey hunters packs plus lord, perhaps transports (the apoc one has land raiders) and packs get a mêlée boost such as rage or furious charge.

[Surreal Cruelty]

 

Quite a bit of variety, actually.

 

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 There are several old special characters in the 2e dex that haven't been seen since (Ranulf, Durfast, and a Wolf Lord whose name is escaping me right now).

Kyril Grimblood was the other character wolf lord in 2e.  He wasn't written up as anything other than a "generic" wolf lord with a name, and didn't have any unique rules or wargear; unlike Durfast and Ranulf.

 

 

 

Betting that the packs (hunters, claws, etc.) end up with default pack leaders/characters (aka sergeants) again.

 

I will bet the Long Fangs keep Fire Control and that Wolf Guard Terminators will be split off again.

 

I will also be willing to bet on keeping Leaders of the Pack...they could just take it away, but if they were going to be fair about it, then they would have to give out some sort of honor guard/command squad unit that is an FOC free unit (not that they have to be, I will admit).  Adding any kind of honor guard/command squad like that would up the over all word-count as they have to make a new unit and give it rules and fluff...when they are already committed to adding at least a flyer.  Shield-bearer type honor guard could be cool.

 

I will also bet on a 13th Company Data Slate after the codex comes out.

[Valerian]

I'll likely have some after blood angels get a new codex. It'll be instructive to see how much they change, how much is just to bring them in line with 7th and c:sm versus how much actual new stuff they get that maintains/extends their uniqueness as a chapter. E.g. whether they get their psychic powers back (I would expect so but who knows?), whether they get centurions, stalkers, hunters, etc etc.

I definitely agree that the upcoming Blood Angels codex will give us a good indicator of what we're likely to see. I think it will inform our guesses to each question in the bet thread, but I want to have the actual roster of questions set prior to that.

 

Here's a bet: we'll see at least two formations in the codex, potentially tied to a discount battle force box (ala strike force ultra) and likely further formations as digital releases. Likely 'themes':

 

Drop pods with wolf lord (or ragnar)

New flyer(s)

Wolf pack flanking force (like the apoc one)

Something extra wulfen-like, perhaps akin to Bran Redmaw's apoc formation: a bunch of grey hunters packs plus lord, perhaps transports (the apoc one has land raiders) and packs get a mêlée boost such as rage or furious charge.

 

 Those are good questions. I'll go back and look at what's in the OP now and see if we've already asked about Formations.

 

 

 

Quite a bit of variety, actually.

 

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 There are several old special characters in the 2e dex that haven't been seen since (Ranulf, Durfast, and a Wolf Lord whose name is escaping me right now).

Kyril Grimblood was the other character wolf lord in 2e.  He wasn't written up as anything other than a "generic" wolf lord with a name, and didn't have any unique rules or wargear; unlike Durfast and Ranulf.

 

 

 Yes, Kyrl, that's the guy. He did have a higher Strategy Level than other Wolf Lords, though, IIRC, so that was the one thing that made him unique vice a DIY Wolf Lord that you could create from the army list.

 

Betting that the packs (hunters, claws, etc.) end up with default pack leaders/characters (aka sergeants) again.

 

I will bet the Long Fangs keep Fire Control and that Wolf Guard Terminators will be split off again.

 

I will also be willing to bet on keeping Leaders of the Pack...they could just take it away, but if they were going to be fair about it, then they would have to give out some sort of honor guard/command squad unit that is an FOC free unit (not that they have to be, I will admit).  Adding any kind of honor guard/command squad like that would up the over all word-count as they have to make a new unit and give it rules and fluff...when they are already committed to adding at least a flyer.  Shield-bearer type honor guard could be cool.

 

I will also bet on a 13th Company Data Slate after the codex comes out.

We're not placing any bets yet in this thread (go back to review the initial post); the purpose here is just to establish a good list of questions. Once the questions are set, then I'll open a new thread for each of The Fang's denizens to go in an make their guesses.

 

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[Valerian]

Space Wolves are up next after Orks, so I'll be closing this thread down for new questions and will start the actual bet thread tomorrow.

 

AARROOO!!!!

[Rift Blade]

That would be nice Valerian. Almost about the time I'll get some vacation. Hopefully I'll have some reading material. By the way, love all the various threads you started lately.

[lonewolf81]

Are there any June rumors, for space wolves being next in line after orks and before blood angels for new codex??? Where are they??? Did i get something wrong????

[Valerian]

The June 2nd 40k Radio podcast mentions it. The podcast is about 2.5 hours long and it takes them about 5 seconds to say that Wolves are after Orks, and that Blood Angels coming up soon was a bad rumor.

 

Naftka over at his site, Faeit 212 said the same a week or two ago. If I can find that I will link to it .

 

Edit: Lords of War are also calling it for Space Wolves next.

[skeletoro]

Oh, thanks for that update.

 

I am still very open minded about this, it's definitely not confirmed fully yet.

 

But it is looking more likely, especially seeing as that starter box with blood angels never actually materialized.

[sn33r]

I'm sorry to point out but for me I hope I think thunder wolves will come down a bit in price and think GW will push them more.

[Valerian]

Dang, I missed my chance to put this in the bet thread. You heard it here first:

 

Bjorn the Fell-handed will be a Lord of War selection in the 7e codex. I'm calling it.

 

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[Arez]

Dang, I missed my chance to put this in the bet thread. You heard it here first:

 

Bjorn the Fell-handed will be a Lord of War selection in the 7e codex. I'm calling it.

 

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Lord of War?

[Valerian]

 

Dang, I missed my chance to put this in the bet thread. You heard it here first:

 

Bjorn the Fell-handed will be a Lord of War selection in the 7e codex. I'm calling it.

 

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Lord of War?

 

Page 119 of The Rules.

 

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[skeletoro]

hmm! Lord of war, eh? Sounds appropriate BUT he needs a revamp.

I wonder, do any of the novels make clear that Bjorn is inside a regular dreadnought and definitely not a contemptor? Or is it just that his current rules, models and artwork depict him that way?

I'd like to see him changed into a contemptor and don't mind seeing the rules change to reflect it. But if him NOT being a contemptor is made a big deal of in a novel somewhere (e.g. if he fights a contemptor after being interred in a normal dread and it comments on how much bigger the contemptor is than him, etc), I find it hard to imagine them ret-conning it to that extent.

If he was a Lord of War, I personally think he would need to have access to slightly better weaponry (at least to bring his assault cannon in line with the Kheres), he really should be initiative 5, in line with other wolf lords, i'd give him a fourth hull point and have him flat-out ignore explodes results (call the special rule 'super duper venerable', if you like.

[Arez]

 

 

Dang, I missed my chance to put this in the bet thread. You heard it here first:

 

Bjorn the Fell-handed will be a Lord of War selection in the 7e codex. I'm calling it.

 

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Lord of War?

 

Page 119 of The Rules.

 

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still doesnt help since im waiting for the starter set so i dont have the BRB 

[Grimtooth]

I am hoping we get grav weapons so I can go back to buying one SM Tactical box and one SW Pack and make 20 Wolves. Right now not buying anything until new codex hits.

 

I bet they WON'T allow two grav guns per pack like they do with our current special weapons....haha.

[Valerian]

hmm! Lord of war, eh? Sounds appropriate BUT he needs a revamp.

Yeah, he'll need a little bit of a buff, but easy to do, and who/what better in the Space Wolves history/arsenal to represent as a Lord of War than he who walked with Russ?

 

I wonder, do any of the novels make clear that Bjorn is inside a regular dreadnought and definitely not a contemptor? Or is it just that his current rules, models and artwork depict him that way?

Well, Bjorn the Fell-handed... the concept, the background, the model, all precede the invention of contemptor dreadnoughts by about 20 years, so it really would not work well to suddenly make him one.

 

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