MakoBoy88 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Hello everyone. Literally just starting up a new FW pre heresy army. I have read all of the HH and so have a few friends. And we have decided to do an escalation FW army each. We have Emperors Children and Iron Hands squaring off against eachother. And then a Word bearer scum and myself as the Warrior Kings of Ultramar. My only problem is I feel as though I am nerfing myself not having a specific rite of war and rule set and special units and stuff. Can anyone give me any tips as to how to go about making a decent list and theme? And how to make the army feel more Ultramarine'y? Thanks chaps and chappettes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Your best bet is to take advantage of the rules you do have. Either find a Right of War that you like and build your force off that, adding legion specific units when they came. Or you can paint your models as Smurfs and use someone else's rules until the Smurfs get their own. I would suggest the first as it is the best way to start, but both work fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf86 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 It seems lots of people go with pride of the legion if they don't have their own legion specific one. Also a bit quicker and cheaper to load up on terminators. Depends what sort of theme you want. You could just get together some tacticals, terminators, Spartans, sicarans as that will be useful regardless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Hello everyone. Hola! :) Literally just starting up a new FW pre heresy army. I have read all of the HH and so have a few friends. And we have decided to do an escalation FW army each. We have Emperors Children and Iron Hands squaring off against eachother. And then a Word bearer scum and myself as the Warrior Kings of Ultramar. That sounds like a blast, man. Having themed scenarios are the best part of the Heresy. My only problem is I feel as though I am nerfing myself not having a specific rite of war and rule set and special units and stuff. No, sir. I'm using a generic rite of war for my Iron Warriors, despite having rules now, and my list is just as scary as any other. Specific units are easy, just make sure to leave a slot open for Elites as you go about building, as the special unit usually is elite. You can still be just as deadly without special units as you are with them. Can anyone give me any tips as to how to go about making a decent list and theme? And how to make the army feel more Ultramarine'y? Thanks chaps and chappettes Well, that's the sticker, there, ain't it? The Legions are so huge, especially the sons of the 500 worlds, that you make of your army what you want. My iron Warriors are breach-takers, for example, so I'm heavy with raiders, but light on Artillery, which is unusual when you think of the stereotypical Iron Warrior. We got a guy on here, Vazzy, whose made some vicious Ultramarines who learned a bit too much from the Night Lords. Myself and another member, Sgt. Coyts, bounced around the idea of an Ultramarine force that one day becomes one of the Second Founding Chapters, which is pretty cool because you already have a symbol/heraldry for your Legion Company and a theme / feel for your force. Make of it what you will, brother. The Galaxy is at war and the Legions are so massive that you could literally create any theme you want, and it'll still stick. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I'm one of the vocal minority that loves breachers and you could do a cool Calth Underworld War themed army with breachers and despoilers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Loving the fast responses. Legends Yes I was thinking the Rite which makes vets and terminators scoring would be ideal. Especially as that means I can focus on vets as all Calth survivors would be vets really by the end lol. Breacher squads are a quality idea. So it's not really a given that not having a Legion specific rule set is a nerf? That's good to know. I was maybe going to paint them Smurfs as suggested but use then as IF. But then that would dictate weapon selection which I don't want. I'm thinking just a lot of troops and focus in elites and heavies. And some kick ass HQ's! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Pride of the Legion would be great for representing Calth Survivors, the Macragge's Honor complement, or a random Veteran Century in the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Yeah that's what I was thinking. I would scratch build Ventanus but I bet he will get rules :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Macragge by vazzy2012, on Flickr Alright another Son of Macragge. As someone who fights MSU Culverin Spam Deathguard, I will say this: Not having Legion rules sorta blows, but with the stock Rites you can do a lot. I'm a big fan of Pride of the Legion, though my collection has reached a point where I have the ability to do multiple different armies. The nice thing with the 13th is that you can do all sorts of armies. For example, my army is a siege specialist force focusing on massed tacticals backed up by Terminator and Artillery support. If you really want your army to feel Ultramarine like, Crest, flowing capes, and gladius are the way to go. But the best way to represent them on tabletop is to be flexible. Sure you may not have fancy Iron Havocs or Pyroclasts, but you've got enough things that you can counter them. Basilisks in the corner? Fire raptor them(Seriously, that thing is awesome). Spartans wrecking your :cuss? Breachers with Grav guns and Rapier platforms. Build in redundancies, remember, Theoretical and Practical. But for real make the army yours. Find out what you like, and build off of that. Yes, you want to win, but not at the cost of your legion identity or theme. 3rd and 4th detachment by vazzy2012, on Flickr Glory to the 13th! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Thats a very good idea.My local GW Manager has this cheesy line he pitches to all the newbie kids that the best SM list is a mini battle company, Tactical squads, assault squads and Devs with support. and Just switch the support depending on scenario. And the most annoying thing is it works all the time in local tournaments when he turns up.How would you go about the HQ? Generic Praetor then some CC Challenge beast?Fire Raptors are incredible.I must admit i am in love at the moment with a ramshackle resistance force from Calth sort of thing. Just a little bit of everything, but trying to minimise casualties as much as possible. Knowledge is Victory and all that jazz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 If you wanted to do a cross over 'demi-company' with support a fair starting point would be a Centurion, 2x20 Tactical Legionaries, 1x10 Heavy Support Legionaries, 1x20 Assault Legionaries, 1x Contemptor, and 2x Sicarans or a single Predator Strike Squadron with Predator Cannons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 To be honest, that does sound pretty much like something i would want to use/ play/ paint. Its so different from 40k where i am obsessed with putting all units in a transport, but now, im like oh yeah 60+ marines on foot, yeah thats fine :0 lol.Everyone raves about Sicarans, what book are they in? Are they a FW model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 As my Iron Hands legion force is a tank company, I'm pretty biased, but I adore my Sicarans. All three of them. They're relatively inexpensive, fast, and their weaponry shreds other tanks and light infantry. If the Word Bearer scum are bringing any armor, a pair of these babies will knock take care of whatever they field. The Sicaran Battle Tank rules are in the Massacre book, and the Venator (Sweet Emperor, I need one so bad) rules are in the Extermination book. They are indeed Forge World models. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks/LEGION_SICARAN_BATTLE_TANK.html An Astartes main battle tank. Look at it! This is what Michelangelo meant to sculpt when he made David. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Legion_Vehicles/LEGION_SICARAN_VENATOR.html The tank destroyer variety. Just in case you wanted a GIANT LASER. So, yeah. I love them. You should love them too. *Mic drop* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Sicaran's are absolute beasts. I prefer them without sponsons to keep them cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 A Heathens said, he & I have been tossing around some ideas about a Heresy era XIII Legion force that eventually becomes one of the Primogenitors. I'm running with the Praetors of Orpheus as, well, I like the Iron Hands too, and these guys give me a chance to use some X Legion aesthetics, etc. The beautiful thing about the Ultramarines, heck, even the Heresy as a whole, is that there is so much room to run with what you want to do. The XIII are about both the practical and theoretical application of warfare. So you could have a balanced force, or an tightly-focused force, and either would be extremely fluffy. You could always run a Pride of the Legion force with hints that this is what is to later become the Genesis Chapter or, as Heathens also suggested to me, a force led by a Praetor by the name of Orar. That's just two ideas, but you have a whole canvas to paint with, and it can be as blank or as full as you wish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 See I went with "diy" just because I feel like the second foundings are inevitably going to get a mention and I don't want my fluff to get messed up. Though if the 129th made it into a novel *cough* ADB *Cough* that'd be amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 See I went with "diy" just because I feel like the second foundings are inevitably going to get a mention and I don't want my fluff to get messed up. Though if the 129th made it into a novel *cough* ADB *Cough* that'd be amazing. Fair point. Hopefully it'll be subtle enough to allow for us to retcon our own fluff if need be. Speaking of The Great One, do we know which company/companies were present on Armatura during 'Betrayer'? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 See I went with "diy" just because I feel like the second foundings are inevitably going to get a mention and I don't want my fluff to get messed up. Though if the 129th made it into a novel *cough* ADB *Cough* that'd be amazing. Fair point. Hopefully it'll be subtle enough to allow for us to retcon our own fluff if need be. Speaking of The Great One, do we know which company/companies were present on Armatura during 'Betrayer'? Strangely enough, I don't recall any specific company numbers as the Evocati were pulled from across the legion so there was no specific unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290608-glory-to-the-13th-legionmaybe/#findComment-3674973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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