Rumour Control Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I was looking through the codex today and probably the only unit ive never used are special weapon squads. A friend of mine used to use them in chimeras in the good old days when the doctrines were around. Im working on a list now to try them out next time around. Anyone use them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 i've used them to board a vendetta. armed them with 3 flamers and enjoyed as they burned out troops from an objective in the last turn to either claim or contest it. their cheap cost and great availability of special weapons (i prefer mine with flamers) makes them great for this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurio Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I think that when equipped with flamers they are a good cheap scoring unit to ride in a vendetta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 At BS3, they're really only useful with flamers...and then only, as Hendrik indicates, when provided with extreme mobility. /edit/ Ah, at last we have it! The reason that they cut vendettas to a troops capacity of six is to encourage us to field special weapons squads :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumour Control Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 I was thinking of putting them in a vendetta or vendetta with 3 plasma guns or would i just be better off using a veteran squad, i know they are more expensive points wise but in the long run would i be better off? Im a little limited to special weapons, as steel legion only have plasma and grenade lainchers and im not a converter so id struggle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I haven't actually used them, but I'm gonna +1 to what's already been said: 3 Flamers in a Valkyrie or Vendetta is probably how I would field them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Consider using three demo charges as a humorous delete button after hopping out of a plane. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 always tempted by the mad bomb squad myself :) though flamer squad seems the best option, but only if they have transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3675990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 My personal favorite is 2 flamers & 1 demo charge. After the charge is spent he becomes the dedicated grenadier. Flexible & still relatively cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3676092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idlem Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I've never gotten the guys to pay off for me. My squads usually get shot up pretty quickly despite my best efforts. If I'm going to sink in the points for special weapons, it'll be with a squad that has BS4 anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3676170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
treadhead Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Usually run a pair with my first platoon, I've found them to be quite useful as a counter charge force, or for speed bumping incoming units First gets 2 flamers and a demo charge while the second get 2 meltas and a flamer. Keep them close to the gunline then pounce on something I don't like the look of. Fluff wise mine are sappers so they tend to get the dirty (ie almost definetly unsurvivable) jobs. On the other hand though I've seen them used as snipers, plas gunners, roasters (vs nids or orks) in a chimera, dedicated (suicidal) AT in a vendetta, heck one guy i know uses them as an assault unit to back up his ogryns. Really though the only limits are your own deviousness and what the dice gods let you get away with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3676176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviar Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Consider using three demo charges as a humorous delete button after hopping out of a plane. I use three demo charges and put them in a Chimera. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3676250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I think they can be a nice way to support other elements, as long as they're kept cheap. Otherwise I agree with what has been said, they should have been given a bit of a points drop to encourage their use I reckon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3677842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 While I have one (triple sniper) I doubt it will see much use outside of Apoc games as Ratlings do the job so much better. As others have said, flamer SWS and demo SWS are good units to be airdropped in (if somewhat suicidal). I don't have a hard copy of the codex (in which it may be different for all I know), but my eCodex says that a SWS guardsman who takes a demo charge loses his lasgun...leaving him with sharp sticks and harsh language after tossing the demo charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3678999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I believe you are right... however I don't think they are expected to survive the blast anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3679016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I believe you are right... however I don't think they are expected to survive the blast anyway :lol:That is one way to bring back the RT-era 'human bomb' the IG used to have. Could do the other three (with lasguns) as their 'controllers' :D Actually, I rather like that image... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3679058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I frankly never used SWS until now that they can buy 3 demilition charges. Opponents who have experimented what Marbo could do have grown a healthy respect to demos, in some cases plain terror. 3XDemo SWS can be used to exploit that pshycological factor. Besides, they could be now what remains of penal batallions. They are given horrible missions, and are expected to die in the process anyway.... The other one for me: 3 flamer behind the lines as some counter or in a chimera as agressive support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 How would you model a Demo charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 There is an official model for the Catachan, but it's far from set in stone. You can model it as almost anything you like really, just make it look like it could be an explosive and you're done :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviar Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 There is an official model for the Catachan, I use them. But you can get four demo charges from the Death Korps of Kriegs equipment set on FW. Here is a link: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH_KORPS_OF_KRIEG_INFANTRY_AND_ACCESSORIES/DEATH_KORPS_OF_KRIEG_EQUIPMENT_SET.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 How would you model a Demo charge? Catachans' plastic commlink is also an easy option. Just chop the antenna and instead of putting the pack in the back of the model glue it to a hand or simply put it in any other place on the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neigorath Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm yet to use them but I've calculated them to my list in my infantry platoon with 2x plasma, 1x melta as firebrigades to be dropped from Vendettas to cause havoc. (2 squads) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3680952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 How would you model a Demo charge? Catachans' plastic commlink is also an easy option. Just chop the antenna and instead of putting the pack in the back of the model glue it to a hand or simply put it in any other place on the model. Nice idea. I've never used the Catachan one but I have used the top and bottom halves of Cadian vox to make two demo charges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290663-anybody-use-special-weapon-squads/#findComment-3681224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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