SvenONE Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 It is the plight of the Dark Angel player to endure their rules. The codex is hardly flawless, but I think being able to play objectives DURING a game, rather than the last turn should really open up a lot for DA player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 That's the overwhelming feeling I have about 7th. Our codex is well designed enough that at worst we can expect it to stay about the same no matter how the basic rules change. On the other hand I don't have enough faith in GW to make changes that swing army balance toward equality (competitive) or encourage players to make lists that reflect how things work in the fluff (narrative). In the end for us, status quo will reign. We will continue to do what we always do, hunt the fallen and deathwing assault/hit and run/hold the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 1. 4ed consolidate in to combat is in. Meaning DWK and DW can hop from CC to CC2. If you fail to cast a power you can't cast it the rest of the game. Fair enough. 3. Every unit including vehicles will now score. MSU Ravenwing 4. Unbound armies may not contest objectives 5. Lords of war are in 6. Escalation and stronghold remain as they are now 7. Vehicles will be harder to kill the chart changes once more. Good for our fragile speeders 8. The book will come out in 3 options Art like warhammer visions, Fluff book, and one that only contains rules and that one is about as think as the current SM book. 9.difficult terrain is just -2 inches 10. Wound allocation has changed a bit.not super clear as to how. 11. D-weapons toned down but he was unclear as what that meant so from the sounds of it they will still be super ugly. -- Bold comments by me. So looks like 7th may not be the end of DA. The first point is huge. As someone who really enjoys assault, I felt 6th was the polar opposite of 3rd. This is great news.(if true!) On point 3-4, I still have to wonder, does wiping out your opponent (or a turn where your opponent doesn't have a model on the table) still mean an automatic win? If so, I guess that would be the main reason for playing an unbound army. .... just to go for tabling your opponent. ' In the White Dwarf article they talk about scenarios that have objective scoring cumulative by turn. That makes a normal force org VERY powerful as long as you can hold off being wiped by something really goofy. (Again, it depends on the rule for wiping your opponent/not having models on table.) I'm also still very curious to hear if the rule of 50% on the table will still hold true. D weapons -had- to be toned down. That would be the goto unbound army of choice otherwise. However, I will say playing my Deathwing and Ravenwing against the new Deathstrike Missile from IG is really sick. First game I tried right after deep striking I lost 12 of 15 terminators the turn they came in from the 10" plate. I consider the Deathstrike as potent as any single model I may face in 7th... until the next codex comes out. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Came across a pretty cool 7th Ed teaser picture relating to us, while browsing Dakka: Edit: I think this is a free poster that comes with the White Dwarf Weekly, possibly this weeks edition. I might have to buy a White Dwarf after all... I hope this picture was of said marine shooting the ever-living crap out of whoever decided to let Ezekiel toss his Bloodthirster pokeball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 1. 4ed consolidate in to combat is in. Meaning DWK and DW can hop from CC to CC This was not the way to fix assault armies.2. If you fail to cast a power you can't cast it the rest of the game. Fair enough. 3. Every unit including vehicles will now score. MSU Ravenwing 4. Unbound armies may not contest objectives 5. Lords of war are in Oh sweet God Emperor no 6. Escalation and stronghold remain as they are now As in optional? 7. Vehicles will be harder to kill the chart changes once more. Good for our fragile speeders/LSV just got a whole lot better 8. The book will come out in 3 options Art like warhammer visions, Fluff book, and one that only contains rules and that one is about as think as the current SM book. 9.difficult terrain is just -2 inches Why did that change? 10. Wound allocation has changed a bit.not super clear as to how. But the directional allocation worked 11. D-weapons toned down but he was unclear as what that meant so from the sounds of it they will still be super ugly. -- And have no place in standard 40k Bold comments by me. So looks like 7th may not be the end of DA. Underlined comments are mine. I am of mixed feelings about 7th. On one hand there seems to be a balance between shooting and assault but on the other the merging of 40k and apoc just doesn't sit right with me. So concludes my "the sky is either falling or it is raining really hard" post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If the rumors are true the now useful Librarian will likely get the dunce hat, and the Chaplain/Interrogator-Chaplain will be the HQ of choice besides special characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Clearly you havn't met my Company Master. His "sword" of Redemption has been dubbed the "Sword of You!"...by an Eldar player no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If the rumors are true the now useful Librarian will likely get the dunce hat, and the Chaplain/Interrogator-Chaplain will be the HQ of choice besides special characters. Maybe not... you could probably use a cheap library as a psyker counter. It's only 65 points after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JnMByJVUow <- more info about unbound armies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solly Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Morning ladies and gents, just watched the video Diavlo posted and have to admit the idea of different organisations does sound intriguing. didnt really like the idea of un-bound force when i read it but stating in the video that its more linked to fluff does sound like a step in the right direction. for instance, the IG have tank companies and you could field those a few years back (sort of, with infantry. cant remember off hand if they still can though) so think making the armies fluff orientated if you want (like myself) is a good idea. as for my DA, does that not mean we can field DA/DW/RW as all three options? battled forged with our characters allowing associated troop selections, un-bound (same army, just dont need the character to take it) and formations (assuming their similar to apocalypse?), which we already get formations for anyway. that would give us access to the advantages of all three army selections right? liking the sound of it so far but waiting to see next weeks WD before i commit one way or the other. thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Well...now the only thing about 7th that displeases me is Lords of War. Everything else I am fine with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If the rumors are true the now useful Librarian will likely get the dunce hat, and the Chaplain/Interrogator-Chaplain will be the HQ of choice besides special characters. Maybe not... you could probably use a cheap library as a psyker counter. It's only 65 points after all. That would be something if you ran into psykers all of the time, but otherwise a "just in case" unit that is not all that useful isn't much worth taking. I've alwys liked psykers, but we may see them put back on the shelves if all of the psychic use rumors prove to be true. Now, if the Consolidation rumor proves to be true, a variety of good things happen for us, namely with all Deathwing units and Black Knights/RW Command Squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 but we may see them put back on the shelves if all of the psychic use rumors prove to be true. I think the exact contrary. 40k sounds to have a WHFB-like magic phase... And I've never seen a WHFB army going to battle without a sorcerer (except the dwarves of course ;) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Interesting video Diavlo posted, it says there's 2 more, where did you get the first link??? Also, it looks like one of the bonuses is getting to re-roll on the Warlord Trait table, I think for DA using general HQs this isn't so bad, but for the generic BRB Warlord table that's kinda snooze. Guess we'll be seeing more this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Re-rolling warlord traits is kind of useless when our major FOC changing HQ's have fixed or chosen traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I've been chewing (super) Scoring speeders around in my head... Along with the alleged harder to kill damage tables... Might be a good thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You know what, I never even thought of that. If the rumour is true then Jink is going up to 4+, and if you're camping an objective then only snap firing isn't that big of a deal anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Also, have you seen Malefic powers? I'm telling you, guys. Daemonwing Assault. Heresy, or hilarity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Jink just got better and worse (assuming truth) for aggressive RW forces ;But now if you choose to jink you survive 16% more to shoot but do nothing (58% less) when you do, quite the dilemma . But of course two marker-lights negates 4+ just as well as a 5+ and you then arrive in pieces and do bugger all anyway. No real change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 are we talking a plane jink or speeder and bike jink? Because plane jink always did that... (goes off to read rumors again...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Brother Dean... Now jink is Always "i declare jink and i have the Save but i can only snapshot in the shooting phase"... It's worse than now IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Depending on the opponent it may be worthwhle to jink or not. In any case despite being worse, bikes have twin linked weapons that help with snapshots. I think it is a fair trade altough i would prefer jink to remain as is. But if it hurts us, it hurts other bike forces as well. Tacticswill have to change and i think its always good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 IF our RW Will be nerfed by the new jink i Will go with DW+GW instead OMG... I was thinking... RWGL is a blast weapon when you use the rad,or stasis grenades and blast weapons cannot be used if you snapshot... So this means that to use rad grenades BK/RWCS cannot jink... And we still pay them 40/42 points per model... +++merged posts. CL+++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It's nt the end of the world.. they still have T5 and 3+ saves. If you have a libby on bike with pfg then they don't need jink... With every edition, stuff gets better and stuff gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It's nt the end of the world.. they still have T5 and 3+ saves. If you have a libby on bike with pfg then they don't need jink... With every edition, stuff gets better and stuff gets worse. I hope we Will get good boosts then...But hope is the first step to disillusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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