Sception Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 yeah, there will def's be rogue psykers, I just doubt there will be a brotherhood thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm just preparing for the big "In your face!" from GW when we find out that our Sorcerers don't count as daemonkin nor do they get any free Primaris from anything if we take a Mark (since we are then forced to take powers from two diciplines, even if we don't want to). What do you mean preparing for? Sorcerers aren't daemons (except for crimson sons possesed sorcerers, hrmmm), and marked sorcerers are required to take powers from multiple disciplines if they have more than a single masters level. We aren't waiting for the shoe to drop, it's already on the ground. At this point we can only hope that gw turns around and picks it up by removing the restriction on marked psycher power choice via eratta. A Prophet Sorcerer from the Crimson Slaughter Codex would actually be pretty darned good, and he can join a unit of Obliterators for protection. Then he can spend his time summoning units to help support wherever he is, I actually really really like that setup. . . This of course is only going off of what we know so far **Edit** I am an idiot. . . Forgot the Prophet only allows you to join units of Possessed, so forget what I said, I am terrible at this game :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm just preparing for the big "In your face!" from GW when we find out that our Sorcerers don't count as daemonkin nor do they get any free Primaris from anything if we take a Mark (since we are then forced to take powers from two diciplines, even if we don't want to). What do you mean preparing for? Sorcerers aren't daemons (except for crimson sons possesed sorcerers, hrmmm), and marked sorcerers are required to take powers from multiple disciplines if they have more than a single masters level. We aren't waiting for the shoe to drop, it's already on the ground. At this point we can only hope that gw turns around and picks it up by removing the restriction on marked psycher power choice via eratta. A Prophet Sorcerer from the Crimson Slaughter Codex would actually be pretty darned good, and he can join a unit of Obliterators for protection. Then he can spend his time summoning units to help support wherever he is, I actually really really like that setup. . . This of course is only going off of what we know so far **Edit** I am an idiot. . . Forgot the Prophet only allows you to join units of Possessed, so forget what I said, I am terrible at this game I can see mine joining a unit of possessed, then "freeing the demons inside" and leaving a wake of summoned demons in his trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 A CS Sorc Prophet in a big unit of Possessed would be pretty powerful if you got the first Malefic power, Cursed Earth. Roll the 3++ save and rending result -> Cast Cursed Earth -> Get possessed with a 2++ save -> ??? -> Profit! (or Prophet?) Not to mention that you can deep strike all your Daemon models (Oblits and summoned Daemons!) within 12" with no fear of scatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I've been considering going the CS/Possessed troop route for a bit lately for replacing some of my models, but the price tags on them are keeping me away and I don't particularly feel like fighting over bids for the older mutation sprues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Seems like they made the Crimson Slaughter supplement exactly with 7th edition in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Great way to futureproof a codex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Alright, so some rumors are mentioning a generic rule for affinity to disciplines, I forget what it's called, which lets psykers using the discipline roll successes on 3+ instead of 4+. If true, then that is probably the benefit daemons get with daemonology, and they'll likely still face the miscast on any doubles? On the other hand, as a generic rule, that does seem like something they might give to us as well. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 favored discipline gives you the primaris for free in addition of any other powers you have. An unmarked Sorceror lvl 1 in Biomancy would have the rolled power and the primaris. A MArked sorceror would be screwed over like usuall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Then it was called something else and I'm getting the terms mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 There's some more screen shots floating around with more data on Psychic Powers. Looked like Novas hit Flyers and FMCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 favored discipline gives you the primaris for free in addition of any other powers you have. An unmarked Sorceror lvl 1 in Biomancy would have the rolled power and the primaris. A MArked sorceror would be screwed over like usuall But an Aspiring Sorcerer would get a Tzeentch roll and then the primaris as well...and apparantely no longer be blocked from the awesome-flamer power with it's WC2 cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomulusPrime Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Alright, so some rumors are mentioning a generic rule for affinity to disciplines, I forget what it's called, which lets psykers using the discipline roll successes on 3+ instead of 4+. If true, then that is probably the benefit daemons get with daemonology, and they'll likely still face the miscast on any doubles? On the other hand, as a generic rule, that does seem like something they might give to us as well. We'll see. Could this be the new bonus Tzeentch daemons will get to casting? Since Ld 10 seems like its no longer important for casting, giving Daemons of Tzeentch Affinity [all disciplines] would seem to make up for this. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think that's just going to get dropped. The tzeentch bonus to casting isn't to give them better casting that other daemonic psykers, it's to let them have worse leadership without negatively impacting their casting. Now since casting and leadership are separate, they can just have lower leadership without needing a special rule to compensate on the psychic end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Well they could have a flat +1 on casting or something, or rerolls. For now deamons get to Perils only on double 6 with Demonology, where everyone else Perils on any double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 favored discipline gives you the primaris for free in addition of any other powers you have. An unmarked Sorceror lvl 1 in Biomancy would have the rolled power and the primaris. A MArked sorceror would be screwed over like usuall I understood that it was if you took all your powers from one discipline you also automatically get the Primaris. im pretty sure that's what Jervis said in his latest video. The affinity thing has been mentioned but not in detail as far as I know. Most seem to assume it will be +1 on the rolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It could be that Tzeentch Daemons generate one more dice than their level instead. They do need something, since big units of Horrors have become nerfed into oblivion by these new rules. At least offensively (assuming they have access to Daemonology). Trying to shoot a warp charge 3 Flickering Flame would take up most of your warp charge, peril almost automatically and be easily nullified (since your opponent can use most of his dice against your big mega flicker flames... Oh, one cool thing about Horrors, even if they have Tzeentch-only powers is that they get one extra power now. That's pretty cool at least. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Seems like psyker-brotherhoods are definately the way to go for malefic daemonology as the only ever lose 1 guy to a miscast (at least that's what it says in WD). So horrors might actually be a lot stronger now. Especially if the get lucky and get the greater daemon spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Seems like psyker-brotherhoods are definately the way to go for malefic daemonology as the only ever lose 1 guy to a miscast (at least that's what it says in WD). So horrors might actually be a lot stronger now. Especially if the get lucky and get the greater daemon spell. If you summon a GD, you still remove the entire unit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Seems like psyker-brotherhoods are definately the way to go for malefic daemonology as the only ever lose 1 guy to a miscast (at least that's what it says in WD). So horrors might actually be a lot stronger now. Especially if the get lucky and get the greater daemon spell. If you summon a GD, you still remove the entire unit... You're totally correct. The herald spell would still be nice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Horrors trades one model for herald, herald trades self for greater daemon, ?????, profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Seems like psyker-brotherhoods are definately the way to go for malefic daemonology as the only ever lose 1 guy to a miscast (at least that's what it says in WD). So horrors might actually be a lot stronger now. Especially if the get lucky and get the greater daemon spell. If you summon a GD, you still remove the entire unit... Imagine if it were to be summoned into combat with the unit... Nice peril that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 GD are cool and all , but with the upgrade limit how many do we realy want to summon ? Or to be more precise , how many do we want to summon that are not summoned by GD/DPs on their last wound ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Don't forget that if the sorcerer is the warlord we'll most likely loose the point for that as well if he dies by summoning a GD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 you warlord ia Belfegor In csm [well CS actualy] always , in demon lists it is him or kairos. speaking of psychic powers though. yestarday I manged to break my life record in VP in a single game . Before I stood at proud 29pts. In 5 turns last night , with some lucky card recycling I hit 37 . And I didn't table my opponent , neither were there any special rules used for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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