Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 You could call Nathaniel Garro, Iacton Qruze and the rest on the Eisenstein survivors of Isstvan III If theses guys make the list then so should Macer Varren. I am not sure if he made it dirt side but he was in orbit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3679920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 You could call Nathaniel Garro, Iacton Qruze and the rest on the Eisenstein survivors of Isstvan III If theses guys make the list then so should Macer Varren. I am not sure if he made it dirt side but he was in orbit.Don't forget the EC and the other WE who were with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3679955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Its ok to forget them.... They died.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3679977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Its ok to forget them.... They died.... Are you talking about the marines on the Daggerline ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3680180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Its ok to forget them.... They died.... Are you talking about the marines on the Daggerline ? I can't recall if that was the ship's name at the moment, but he is talking about all of the EC and WE who went to Terra with Varren, before being killed by the White Scars Traitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3680373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That's it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3680661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Apologies for the slight threadomancy, but this thread is exactly what I was looking for. Obviously we have the handful of established survivors, but what are the possibilities of larger unit surviving? Obviously not anywhere close to intact, but still viable in some way. What I'm basically asking is, is it possible to have the loyalist Traitor version of the shattered legions? Is that just too big of a special snowflake/Mary Sue situation? Or is it better, fluff-wise, if a loyalist force just somehow never made it to Isstvan in the first place? Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Everything is possible. However even those traitors that weren't even at Isstvan did a pretty thorough purging of their ranks. On the other hand there are (possibly) the Blood Ravens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 ...However even those traitors that weren't even at Isstvan did a pretty good attempt at purging their ranks. There we go... Edit: I'm a peacock, Quixus. You gotta let me fly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Apologies for the slight threadomancy, but this thread is exactly what I was looking for. Obviously we have the handful of established survivors, but what are the possibilities of larger unit surviving? Obviously not anywhere close to intact, but still viable in some way. What I'm basically asking is, is it possible to have the loyalist Traitor version of the shattered legions? Is that just too big of a special snowflake/Mary Sue situation? Or is it better, fluff-wise, if a loyalist force just somehow never made it to Isstvan in the first place? I'd be somewhat skeptical of unified, combat viable formations of Istvaan survivors. Large forces of loyal Traitors are most likely to be either Iron Warriors, thanks to the amount of garrisons and independent deployments they had (as we see at Paramar) or Alpha Legion, because Alpha Legion, who knows what they're doing. Although the same principles could be applied to the initial Traitors as well, on a smaller scale. On the other hand, the Heresy series seems to be taking glee in these anomalies, both with the amount of Istvaan V survivors that persist into later stories, and the whole 'loyalists and traitors in every Legion' thing (which I find hard to justify). So who knows, maybe Mortuag, Tarvitz and Vipus salvaged a couple of companies by magic and they'll turn up later? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I'd say that large formations escaping the Istvaan system finish at the size of the group that broke away with Corax, from Istvaan V. A couple of thousand would be the upper limit, imho, for groups escaping the traps laid out on both worlds. That said, I feel that even company sized groups would be a push, tbh, with Loyalist traitors (or with the Shattered Legions, even) and that's with forming ad hoc units from each of the remaining Terran elements. By all means create a force - that's what's cool about the Warhammer universe, there are standards and guidelines of how to present and do something but there is always loopholes and caveats for you to remain original(ish) and creative with the material presented. Personally, I would have Chrysos Morturg in his later Black Shield status lead surviving Terran Legionaries into fighting Horus' Rebellion (but then, I have a thing for Morturg). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Could there be Loyalist units among the Traitor Legions? Yes. The concept of "Shattered Legions" as defined by Black Library is meant to refer to any group of Legionnaires that operate independently from te main Legion. Whether it be cut off by warp storms, lack of communication, or even just being on the opposite sode of the war. It is entirely possible for a group to simply be sickened by what they've seen as the Traitors continue the war and degenerate more and more. Could these units be Istvaan III survivors? Doubtful. If they were, they'd have to be like Garro and others and been amongst the fleet itself rather than on the planet below. Simple matter of transportation, ie Loken had to be picked up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3764487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I still have a candle lit for Tarvitz, Vipus, Rylanor and the 100 or so Astartes with them. Most firmly think them dead and for good reason. I feel they lived through the "Final" bombardment from Horus. I think it will turn out that they tap into what in the future will be called the 'Shrouding'. Their hate for Horus combined with their love for the Emperor will unlock this hidden ability within and be a sort of Divine intervention. The Emperor Protects. How they get of the planet is another issues. Something to do with the underground hanger Rylanor was sent to guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3766917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 There are mentions of "forgotten" detachments of Iron Warriors in book 3- basically, expedition fleets that Perturabo deemed useful, but not important enough to remember (or sent out as punishment, given his whole "Space Stalin" personality). In this case its possible that you have large armies of IW legionaries flying around completely oblivious of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I hate to ask but what ever happen to the 70 Death guard with Garro, just finish that book yesterday, so my HH lore is lacking/behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Most of them die. IIRC there should have been two or three that survived Flight of the Eisenstein but we've never heard of them again as far I know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I hate to ask but what ever happen to the 70 Death guard with Garro, just finish that book yesterday, so my HH lore is lacking/behind. There has been no mention of them. Only Garro is talked about after the book. He dose not so much as think about them as far as we have been shown. A few did die at the end of Flight of the Eisenstein on the Moon but most are just written off. I would guess that they were all tested for their loyalty by Malcador. Some day we might hear their story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Most of them die. IIRC there should have been two or three that survived Flight of the Eisenstein but we've never heard of them again as far I know. Actually 70 survived, and about 3 dies on the moon. Garro leaves to start the Inq, the apoc go to find a way to cure nurgles plague. That leaves about 65 uncounted for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Ah, I thought most of them actually died on the Eisenstein against Grulgor and the other plague daemons and then most of the rest were killed by the Lor of Flies on his rampage. Apologies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I'm counting Khârn as a survivor ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-3767192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Some of the answers we were looking for have been answered. The 70 DG have been accounted for in the story Ghosts Speak Not & Patience. Also the true scale of the survivors of the Drop Site Massacre is detailed in The Either. 20-24k possible survivors A bit more then even I could have hoped for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290776-survivors/page/2/#findComment-4293562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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