Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 So I'm pondering on what I can do to make my death guard stand out as a loyalist force of Death Guard and I was wondering whether you guys could give me some advice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 If the force is at Istvaan III then they all scratched out their insignia. Other then that there is no way I can think of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramell Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Freehand Aquilas, maybe? Like they painted them themselves, to show their loyalty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Put them back into Dusk Raider heraldry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yogi's got it about right. Or if you're going for loyalists not present at Istvaan, you could have them revert to Dusk Raider colours (like Iacton whatshisname reverted to Luna Wolf white on the Eisenstein). Or you could have them keep their ceramite and green, but go back to either Dusk Raider Iconography, or even the Raptor and Lighntning embelm of the Unification Wars (this is probably tricky to pull off though). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yeah I was thinking about that, perhaps I could paint their right arm red but keep the traditional death guard off white? Edit: I was thinking that perhaps my company was mainly terran born but had recently suffered severe losses and was lagging behind the rest of the Death Guard main fleet as it took on repairs and munitions, upon entering the istvaan system it's small fleet came under fire from World Eater patrol ships after the commander questioned what was going on down on the surface after it detected the virus bombing etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm going to have them scratch out their legion badges or black over them. Or maybe have them in their older colours if possible. Depends on the models really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm going to have them scratch out their legion badges or black over them. Or maybe have them in their older colours if possible. Depends on the models really. Yeah problem is some of my models have the death guard moulded shoulder pads from FW, so I don't particularly want to ruin them by scratching them out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm going to have them scratch out their legion badges or black over them. Or maybe have them in their older colours if possible. Depends on the models really. Yeah problem is some of my models have the death guard moulded shoulder pads from FW, so I don't particularly want to ruin them by scratching them out. Black them out with a matt black then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm going to have them scratch out their legion badges or black over them. Or maybe have them in their older colours if possible. Depends on the models really. Yeah problem is some of my models have the death guard moulded shoulder pads from FW, so I don't particularly want to ruin them by scratching them out. In your situation I would have them as stock. There's no rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Paint a black x over them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 1st option: Put aquilla's on them, maybe they too have read the Lectitio Divinitatus.... Remember, the Emperor protects. 2nd option: Go grey armoured as they have lost their legion, just as Garro does after he visiyyed Luna. 3rd option, nice bright clean colours, it was a Barbarus tradition to not clean their armour rtc, chances are the Terrans had more pride in their wargear, because they were around before the Primarch took over the legion. 4th option: Read flight of the Eisenstein and see if it shows in the text any difference between Terran & Barbarus Deathguard, as if I recall there was a division in the legion depending on birthright. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 What do you think of this? It's only rough though. As for the black crosses on the emblem, it's a good idea, just not sure it'll stand out enough though. The idea behind these loyalists is that it's after istvaan III and they are out there a lone kind of like the splintered legions. http://s1.postimg.org/d5hp86w4f/Death_Guard_Loyalist2.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshift Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'd do a test mini just to make sure you like how it looks on the tabletop but it's a thumbs up from me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Will do one now, I figure I could also make use of Section Leader Crysos Morturg, the loyalist death guard character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 To me the difference between loyalist and traitor Astartes is fairly easy to represent. Loyalists should have small aquilas while traitors should be covered in BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, maybe you could even embellish them with a few SKULLS FOR TRONE OF SKULLS attatched to their armor. Like I said, fairly strait forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Here's that test model I've done with the red arm. http://s24.postimg.org/7s99hcacl/DSC_0110.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Do you think it'll work for an entire army? Is there a better way to do the red, I used khorne red, a black wash followed by a highlight of khorne red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think a whole army like that would be striking. Do it. However, while the bone colored armor is gorgeous, the red is not as consistent a color. As it is, it's really hard to pick out any details. But, if it was a bit more solid, I think an army would look fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I really like that idea. Red lacquering on the Dusk Raider Arm, but keeping the Legion Colors is a good idea. Death Guard 'White' is just the natural color of the ceramite outer layering when exposed to the elements (thats why older pictures had them as gunmetal grey). The red lacquer could be said to represent the blood of their loyal brothers spilled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 A lighter red might be better for the highlight, afraid I don't know which old paint (if any) khorne red is analogous to, so I can't tell you what shade I'd use. The wash looks pretty dark on it, you may want to use a bit less in the future. Also, form a purely personal perspective, I'd change the armour a bit. Not that what you've done looks bad, but imo unpainted ceramite wouldn't be quite so bone coloured, maybe a black wash instead of the brown it looks like you used. How did you do it? I've managed to get a pretty good off white, ceramite-esque armour with a Rakarth Flesh base, drybrush terminatus stone, then highlight pallid wych flesh (I also wash with gryphonne sepia between the wash and highlight but that's to make the armour a bit browner, which may not be what you're looking for). Just my 2p. Edited for spelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 I used a white base coat followed by a seraphim sepia and lahmian medium wash followed by highlighting with scar white and lahmian medium mixture. I tried to follow the way FW suggested it be done. Think Khorne red is equal to scab red or red gore, not sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'd be scab red then, cos I know Wazdakka Red is the red gore analogue. In which case I have three suggestions, wazdakka red highlight (it's noticeably brighter than the old scab red), bloodletter glaze before/after the wash to bring out the red a bit more, or both. Not sure whcih would work best though. Having double checked the FW DG, you may be using too much wash, or the weathering FW do breaks up the solid colour so it looks less like bone. Or I may be talking BS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yeah I agree, I think I did to much washing, but also I think I used to much sepia when mixing it with the lahmian. I'm having second thoughts on the red now, perhaps I should focus on getting the general scheme correct before altering it. Also lets me use typhon and the traitor units if I have a change of mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That may be a good idea if you're unsure. But I'd try highlighting your test piece with wazdakka, or play around with bloodletter (the glazes are really nice if you haven't used them before) to see how it looks. Wish I had a pic of a part done CSM to show you the armour scheme I was talking about, but unfortunately I don't, may be able to get a pic of one of my finished guys this weekend though, if you want some impression of what I'm talking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290879-how-would-you-differentiate-between-loyalist-and-traitors/#findComment-3681922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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