MakoBoy88 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hai This really only applies to people who have played more than one legion. But I guess people who have played against other legions too, well everyone really haha. I'm looking to start a 30k army along side some friends. They are doing Word Bearers, Emperors Children and Iron hands respectively. I want something to use with them. I was thinking of the Ultramarines. But two things put me off. 1) there are like 4 local players with UM forces. I plan to make my force 40k playable anyway and wouldn't want to face them in local tourneys really. 2nd is that the lack of special rules and unique units and wargear makes them quite boring. So. Which legion is MOST fun to play, build, everything! Bring it on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Hai This really only applies to people who have played more than one legion. But I guess people who have played against other legions too, well everyone really haha. I'm looking to start a 30k army along side some friends. They are doing Word Bearers, Emperors Children and Iron hands respectively. I want something to use with them. I was thinking of the Ultramarines. But two things put me off. 1) there are like 4 local players with UM forces. I plan to make my force 40k playable anyway and wouldn't want to face them in local tourneys really. 2nd is that the lack of special rules and unique units and wargear makes them quite boring. So. Which legion is MOST fun to play, build, everything! Bring it on! TBH chap - we have yet to see the Ultras in 30k form, yes in 40k they're the modern poster boys, but 30k is very different - we know from the various fluff that they took on Chapter form quite early BUT they're still a Legion and have all the diversities of such a formation - as for what's the most fun, whatever you are willing to put your heart into - even using 40k bits treading the 30k route isn't cheap haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Its very true haha. I know that in a year or whatever when they do come out i will be all over them like a tramp on chips. But at the moment i would like a legion with a little.. "Flavour" is the best word to describe it :)My problem is i read one of the HH books again and think "oh man i want that legion!", for example like read Vulkan Lives and i think "Oh i could have a Salamanders legion" then i read Unremembered Empire and i think "Oh well maybe Ultramarines". Its circular. Ahaha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkin Arenis Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 That's the nature of the hobby, amusingly :P Really, it's thinking about a concept that you really want to get behind. I'm aware of many people playing Imperial Fists on the forum, and there's many different takes on them: armoured cavalry, airborne, artillery, breach-takers, breach-holders, the list goes on. It's all about finding something you get passionate about and going with it, whether that's Sons of Horus who were thought loyal to the Warmaster, witnessed what happened at Isstvan and ran away, going rogue in a galaxy that hates them, or a small force of Raven Guard survivors of Isstvan V who disregard their Primarch's orders and head for Terra to take part in the Siege and all perish in the stubborn defence of one position. There's so much you can do, but it's all down to you going with what you like the sound of :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I was having and in some ways, still having the same debate with myself over which Legion I like the most. Ended up with a shortlist of sorts: Salamanders - Really like these boys. Something about the humble hero that I find compelling. Master craftsman, hammer wielders and lots of fire! White Scars - Fiercely independent, fast moving rapid strike specialists. Love their use of Jetbikes and Bikes. Can picture a force of anti-gravs, Sicaran Tanks, Aircraft and mounted infantry. Alpha Legion - love the guile and audacity of their antics. Use of devious and dishonourable tactics - assassinations, sabotage, mis-direction, infiltration. In the end, I went with the Scars for my loyalist force. Though, I'll probably get some Salamander Allies. And maybe I'll start a traitor Alpha Legion force one day. Ugh, such a dangerous hobby for your wallet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I've been wanting to start a Legion force for some time, but have been held back by cost. I'm torn. In terms of background, I prefer the loyalists. I hate painting yellow and/or white. My current army is black. So that means, I guess I should do Ultramarines. On the other hand, I think I'd get the most play value out of one of the Traitor Legions. I could use the same paint scheme for either side. I have 40k Death Guard. I could do 30k Death Guard, but again, ... white. Maybe Sons of Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 You're right Arenis. It's all about getting passionate about the thing. And for me it's all about finding a 'theme' to an army. Like you say. Rebellious little Raven Guard. Or loyalist Sons of Horus still kicking about. Things like that. For me. I like to be balanced. But I also like to have one or two little centrepieces to the board. I tried in 40k and all Drop Pod Salamanders List and it failed horribly, but the salamanders them selves were awesome. Just never painted them haha. Silly things are getting dusty. So I think I would like something a little unusual. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I personally struggled to decide on what 30k force to start building for many of the same reasons you listed. For me, I was most interested in the Dark Angels (my favorite space marines from when I first got into 40k) and White Scars. But no RoW, special units/characters, and most importantly unique models on the horizon meant that I was put off to building them. My only advice would be to take a look at the legions currently represented in the 3 books and match as closely as you can to your personal preferences. When the UM are finally released you can start adding them as allies to whatever legion you're currently working on. So in the end it should all work out! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 The good thing about the XIII Legion is that this is before the Codex Astartes, and as such you have a large degree of flexibility when it comes to building your Ultramarines force. Your army can be a garrison force of Evocatus warriors from Armatura, decked out in newly issued Mark IV armor and carrying the most advanced weapons the Mechanicus has to offer. Your army can be a portion of Guilliman's host, resplendent in Cataphractii Terminator armor and carrying the most ornate and prized weapons in all of Ultramar. Or your army can be a cadre of veterans from the Underground War on Calth, their Mark III armor worn and battered from the a year of constant warfare, their skin sallow and unhealthy from the system's poisoned sun, their leader a former master of the Destroyers with a penchant for brutality and a thirst for revenge against the traitors who murdered his home. The point is that the Ultramarines are more flexible fluff- and rules-wise. My World Eaters will forever have to incorporate a strong assault element. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3684876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I have a few tidbits for you. 1. Because we are talking Space Marine Legions regardless of which legion you pick you will be making choices from the plain old crusade list: get collecting now that way you have a large part of your army ready to go then fill in the blanks once your Legion rules and Legion specific units are released! (troop choice, heavy support, Fast attack,generic HQ ect...) 2. for the sweat, tears and quite literally the blood you will pour into a legion list and thats not to mention the money involved follow your heart/guts, you can make any Legion do anything you want. Failing that pick something that's easy for you to paint. I hope that this added to the discussion! Rant over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Word Bearers!!!! 1. Red. Its the only colour I've ever actually enjoyed to paint. 2. Daemons. Not for the 'omg screamer star' but for the fact that some of the Daemon Models (and 3rd Party) are great. 3. Very open tactically, you can do whatever and its just your own Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 If it helps I've made my mind up about 6 times and ended up stripping my models at least 2 or three times for some of them, it's a pain choosing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 There is clearly lots of good advice here, and you should certainly collect a legion that excites you. Given the other three legions collected by you friends though, you could select one of the remaining two loyalist factions from The drop site massacre - salamaders or raven guard. This could give you the chance to play out the campaign in the future with some excellent doubles battles. On top of that you have full rules for both legions, and the models are in the works. There is also a chance that FW might release some rules for playing the broken legions (there were hints that way in the schedule for the HH weekender) which could open up the potential for a cool themed force later on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Kor'Vesh, yes that has been suggested. I have played Salamanders in 40k and wouldnt mind doing it in 30k.This has all been fantastic advice. Thanks lads :DI'll give you a run down of my morning.My friends and I have this theory that when choosing between two things, flip a coin and call it. That way if you get it right, you'll be happy with the decision, if it lands tails and you are disappointed, you know which you wanted in the first place anyway. We do it all the time with this sort of :cuss. We call is the Law of the Coin.I have decided to make the Law of the Fruit Bowl. I have taken a little pad of paper, written all the Legions i would conceivably want to play, make a few notes on it as to why i would love to play that Legion, Units i like, notes on the paint scheme, characters, Primarch qualities, etc. Shuffle them all together and draw one. If you are gutted, you know you dont want it.First Draw, Alpha Legion, i was a little disappointed.Second Draw, Night Lords. I was pleased :D I sat down and read all the rules again, and tried to make a little 2k list. And was just so gutted about the FOC limitations on it that i got disheartened. Even though the Army overall looks amazing.Third Draw, Imperial Fists. I was pleased, and am now doing the same thing, reading through it all and having a look at i can use and shizz.I hate decision making. I need a little Facebook quizz, but a really indepth one, thats like 200 questions long and tells you which legion you want to play haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 If you've got the patience, I'd say hold off until the Legion you really want has rules/models. The blood and money you'll pour into this isn't something to take lightly. The thing to remember about the majority of the RoW available to the 12 Legions published so far, it's very very rarely based around a specialist unit (Night Lords Terror squads being the exception I can think of right now) so taking big blocks of Tactical Squads and armour support isn't going to be made redundant when time comes to doing what you want. It's important to point as well that these are the Legions, not chapters. They are capable of doing EVERYTHING. Even Legions who liked it up close like the World Eaters maintained artillery and tank battalions to support them. You literally have a blank canvas to do what you want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3685959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I've changed my mind so many times. Spent a reasonable amount on Iron Hands before reading the books as I wanted to do them for 40k. Read the first 2 books and decided to scrap 40k and go 30k only with the IH's. Then I decided it'll be a bit of a bland looking dark army just like the wolves that I've got a great company worth for 40k. So I decide to do reminants of Istivann with a mix of loyalists and loyalist traitors. Go through all my models pulling out anything in the correct armour for 30k and find 30+ beakies. So then I decide on Raven Guard as my main force. While trying to source pads for my ETL vow using RG I realised I'd not raided the SW's for beakies and find most of the characters are in HH era armour and I've got a squads worth or more of normal troops available. I've also realised the Ragnar company pad is the right one for the SW's in 30k (if your legion has mk7 pads available you can make mk3 and mk6 really easily) and I've got lots of them. So I've swapped army plans many times and ended up with ... the starting of a SW force. This will be a smaller attached force to keep an eye on the loyalist traitors who've been assigned to help out an IH's force. The IH's would rather be allowed to get on with things their own way but put up with the baggage as long as it acts like the cannon fodder it deserves to be. There will also be a RG force which will crop up in larger battles as they'll eventually be assigned to a combined battle fleet in the defence of terra. So I've left myself open to basically being able to include a good chunk of the legions without breaking fluff too much. What's great about the open ended fluff of the 30k setting is we know where things are headed but there are many possible paths that could get us there and the universe is that big that anyone's hobby output can be cannon while being exactly the opposite of someone else's! The main thing is the rule of cool and having made at least a little effort into having a back story so it adds to the whole experience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I wanted a force thats unique in 30k compared to it's 40k equivalent and is loyalist, which is a hard one as that narrows it down to one legion and it's a legion I've never been particularly fond of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Back in 1998 I played Blood Angels and Dark Angels. Currently I have an Emperor's Children and Death Guard list for 40K. I also have IG, GKs and a small group of Red Hunter SMs. I picked Death Guard again for 30K not because I have them for 40K but because I wanted to do lots of infantry, because I really wanted to paint battered up armor and because of their prominence of MK III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losark Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I wanted a force thats unique in 30k compared to it's 40k equivalent and is loyalist, which is a hard one as that narrows it down to one legion and it's a legion I've never been particularly fond of. I'm Wracking My Brain... BloodAngels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Dark Angels, different colour scheme, not entirely loyal, different wings rather than the two they have in 40k, not just reliant on plasma to show their long heritage but prone to having more of the older stuff like volkite weapons, conversion beamers, archeotech, older tanks like malcadors etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I wanted a force thats unique in 30k compared to it's 40k equivalent and is loyalist, which is a hard one as that narrows it down to one legion and it's a legion I've never been particularly fond of. You aren't worthy of the First Legion anyways. *sniff* (J/k of course) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Choice is up in the air I have 10 marines in crusade armour, 10 veterans in a mix of mks, 5 terminators and 5 jump pack destroyers, as well as a graviton cannon on rapier yet to be put together, all of them are unpainted and ready for me to finally make my mind up My problem with Dark Angels, is I'm not fond of secrecy, or those that can turn on you in a second, which from everything I've read about them is a pretty glaring trait of the Dark Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I'm having this problem too. Not sure if I want to make a Raven Guard or Ultramarines force, or maybe try something different and do Dark Angels, Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, or Imperial Fists. Honestly though, all of the legions do or can appeal to me in one way or another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The lost Legions, I've been able to paint model and make whatever background for them I want. Blood and Thunder, The II Remembers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 My problem with Dark Angels, is I'm not fond of secrecy, or those that can turn on you in a second, which from everything I've read about them is a pretty glaring trait of the Dark Angels. Not so much the turning on you (see primarch quote in my sig) but definitely the secrecy and "circles within circles." Though we will have to wait and see how much of that was present pre-heresy. So far our fluff from black library has been BALEFUL so it's hard to say. That all being said, I think more than one person here has had the following advice: do a legion you'll love. The time/money/blood/sweat/tears aren't worth it for a legion you're not that fond of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290973-the-legion-for-you/#findComment-3686416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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