Leif Bearclaw Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 So as far as I'm aware, the HH series has now established that the Butcher's Nails were killing Angron and he didn't like having them in, and the only reason he kept them was that removal wasn't possible. This seems rather different from the old IA fluff of Angron 'knowing how effective the surgery could be in improving a warrior's ability, spread the practice through his Legion, using own implants as blueprints' (or even the older HH novels, such as that line from False Gods, apparently now retconned out, that had Angron refusing to get them removed). This then leaves me with a question. If Angron didn't like having the Nails in, why did he order his Apothecarion to research and improperly replicate the Nails, and then continue to implant them once it became apparent that they weren't even as good as the one's he had? I know Angron wasn't a happy individual, but the FW fluff (haven't read the novels past Prospero Burns) doesn't portray Angron as actively hating his Legion to the extent that this would even start to make sense (Curze on the other hand...). Is this explained somewhere in a story I haven't read yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Read Betrayer if you haven't yet. Seems like the Legion willingly undertook the surgery in order to build a bond with Angron, but it was still ultimately pointless and now they're stuck with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3684516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha! Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If you get a chance, listen to the 'Butcher's Nails' audiobook by ADB. Angron talks with Lorgar about the nails in some detail.He says he wouldn't want them removed even if it were possible but I can't remember his words exactly. Maybe someone else can help me out there... The gist was that they brought a purity of purpose, they allowed him to 'dream' whilst in the serenity of rage. All that jazz. The book also mentions that he doesn't think of himself as weak enough to even consider trying to remove them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3684525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 If you get a chance, listen to the 'Butcher's Nails' audiobook by ADB. Angron talks with Lorgar about the nails in some detail. He says he wouldn't want them removed even if it were possible but I can't remember his words exactly. Maybe someone else can help me out there... The gist was that they brought a purity of purpose, they allowed him to 'dream' whilst in the serenity of rage. All that jazz. The book also mentions that he doesn't think of himself as weak enough to even consider trying to remove them. Then why did they edit that line out of False Gods? Or is this another example of GW's lack of internal canon consistency? I can see why a XII Legionnaire would want the Nails, as DarKnight said, trying to get a closer bond to a Primarch whose arrival turned the Legion on its head, and I get why Angron would propagate them through the Legion if he viewed them as a positive. But I keep getting the impression from the forum that nobody thought the Nails were a good thing, they left Angron's in just cus/Emperor's evil/Emperor's a bad Dad. Which is why is struck me as odd that Angron spread worse versions of them through his Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3684541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Given a choice, a sane Angron (as he was when he first arrived on Nuceria) would not have accept the Nails. They were forced upon him, a slave gladiator. That being said, the Angron leading the World Eaters was not the same man. He had grown accustomed to the Nails, the implants granting him moments of serenity in battle (when he worked himself into such a fury that he was able to achieve peace from it). As he told Lorgar in Betrayer, he would not have the Nails removed, even if they could be removed. The World Eaters themselves asked for the Nails. It was an attempt to gain a sense of kinship with the father who never wanted them. They sought to be able to relate with their father by breaking themselves upon the same anvil that he was broken. Sadly, it did not work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3684885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 he was addicted to them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3685148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Its more "It's all he knew and they have never let him down". He is a broken man who at some level feels that by removing the nail. It would be like saying he has a weakness or at the very least that he is not as capable as his brothers. As outsiders we can look at what the nails have done to him and the World Eaters but Angron cannot. Even if he could he would never admit it. He says it himself the best in Betrayer when he is buried and says [paraphased] "Death is better then surrender". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290992-angron-and-the-nails/#findComment-3686087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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