Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Hi guys I just picked up the Astra Militarum Codex and I was wondering if any of you have played with the Tempustus Scions becuase I'm thinking of buying a platoon or two and I just wanted to see if they were worth it or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Are you talking about as part of a Guard army or as their own codex? Like all things it depends on what you want or need. They're cool models and effective elite infantry for us, but that's if you have a job for them. What are you thinking of using them for? They can work well in infantry armies and particularly so in mechanised lists as well as fill gaps in a supporting role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAngelWithNoFace Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I usually run a squad of them in normal IG armies as support for scoring units. Works well in my experience if you have some scary distractions somewhere else on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm building my IG army Mainly a tank list 4 leman russ 3 demolisher kits with a full platoon of infantry all with chimeras I want to add a vendetta or 3 and manticores as well I haven't quite enough points to put a whole army together but I also need a 2nd troops choice I'm thinking of running Veterans or just split my 50 man platooon into a 20 man and a 30 man thus having 2 troops choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I think they have something for you then, maybe riding in your Vendetta to deliver some BS4 goodness at a crucial moment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 Thats what I was thinking especially that AP 3 to take out some power armored targets or use them as krak addicts. and bust some medium/light armor I do have an Imperial knight and If I make room for it should I field that with my IG army as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 They will also benefit from orders, we have a few comrades who are already quite experienced with Scion use I believe so I'm sure they'll be along to talk your ear off with some wisdom soon :) Same for a Knight, they're awesome models and good anyway but have a lot to offer a Guard army in drawing fire and stomping the nastiest of enemy units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 They also give access to Tauros Prime which is a VERY shooty vehicle that can help if you feel the need to have more firepower against infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'll keep that in mind and once I drop some money on these bad boys payday which is tomorrow thank the emperor I'll hop into the Army list forum. I already Have a Blood Angels with an imperial knight and IG allied attachment in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdeath Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm trying my Scions against my wife's Tyranids this weekend. It should be interesting to say the least... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'll keep that in mind and once I drop some money on these bad boys payday which is tomorrow thank the emperor I'll hop into the Army list forum. I already Have a Blood Angels with an imperial knight and IG allied attachment in it. Sounds like you're half way there for your Guard already I'm trying my Scions against my wife's Tyranids this weekend. It should be interesting to say the least... Let us know how it goes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 How many points? I always play against my uncles nids lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdeath Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 We're planning on 1250. I need to fit in a Valk so I'm thinking 1 command squad with either 5 flamers or hot-shot volley guns and 3 scions squads (10 man ea with 2 special weapons for each team w/Tauroxes) along with an Aegis line with Quad Gun. Hoping I can fit in a commissar as well to put on the quad. Wife is bringing a Swarmlord, Broodlord, Haruspex, Venomthrope and other swarmy badness. Fingers crossed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Battle Report or it didn't happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 Battle Report or it didn't happen. OOOO kill em Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3688803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I'm thinking of running Veterans or just split my 50 man platooon into a 20 man and a 30 man thus having 2 troops choices. Um...you'll need two platoon command squads if you split the platoon, and the way you phrased that almost sounds like you don't have even one at the moment, but I'm sure that's me interpreting things wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3689068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Are special weapon scions a better or worse alternative to special weapon veterans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3689836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Worse in that Veterans can take more and only lose out on a lasgun in doing so. Veterans can focus on their specials more for their role without losing out too much but with Scions it's better to complement their hotshot unless you're running a small strike team (e.g. double melta) for example. So as a rule of thumb if you're thinking about getting special weapons in you should probably look at Vets, but if you want some elite infantry to get a specific job done then the Stormies might be what you need :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3689861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It depends...ten vets with three meltaguns is 90 points...five stormtroopers with two meltaguns are also 90 points...but they're nonscoring and therefore disposable, have 4+ armor, and can deepstrike. I wouldn't treat any scoring unit as disposable, and melta units are often thrown into situations where they get one chance at a big kill, then they die. As for plasma, it's also complicated. Hotshots synergize well with plasma, if you're shooting MEQs, and carapace armor is a given with stormtroopers. If you pay for carapace armor and three plasma guns for veterans, they get pricey, and the lasguns are basically wasted no matter what plasma-worthy target you shoot at. On the other hand, Plasma's range means that it's a reasonable choice for a unit that isn't being thrown under the proverbial bus, there's a huge difference between 6" and 24" effective range. Therefore, it's not horrible to give plasma to vets, you're not "suiciding" a scoring unit. A minor consideration is that stormtroopers can ride in a vendetta, and veterans cannot.... Personally, I field my scoring vets with long range dakka (autocannons, but plasma would be good, too), and expendable stormtroopers with melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Something to consider as well is the scion command squad. You can have 4 spec weps in that one. I'm currently converting so that I have plasma in the standard squads & melta in the command one. At 125 for a melta command & 100 per plasma squad they aren't cheap but they don't need transport to get in close & show up at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I'm doing the opposite. plasma command and melta line squads. Four melta can easily be overkill, but two is almost right to reliably achieve at least one penetrating hit. You get two misses 1/9 of the time, one hit 4/9 of the time, and two hits 4/9 of the time. Meanwhile, four plasme guns will certainly obliterate five marines, and will gut even a full ten man squad, while two will at best cause a couple casualties. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 That's assuming rolling average & experience has taught me things tend to fail when you need them most which is why I'm building my storm trooper platoon this way. With two trooper squads & one command I can always swap out weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 that's true. Before glory boy command squads existed, I had enough special weapons to equip all of my squads with pure plasma or pure melta, with a few flamers and grenade launchers sitting around unpainted, lol. Now, I've been able to gin up a command squad by painting a sergeant, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I like my command with flamer and a power sword. It can wreck little horde, and with 4 flamer it does an average of 3-4 unsaved wound on marine. Plus with the command boss being the only ini 4 of all the IG codex, the sword is not a waste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Had not noticed the I4...interesting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291113-tempustus-scions-any-good/#findComment-3690744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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