Daylight Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Ok, so for cost reasons as well as aesthetic, I would like to be able to use some regular mk VII models for my HH force. If I did a UM or DA force, for example, could I justify their use as them not being mk VII, but rather an Ultramarine 500 world specific variant like the praetor pattern? Or for the DA, the tech being experimental and as them receiving the new armor as they are the first legion? I have pledged a 10 man tac squad for the HH ETL, and will probably only have mk VII marines on hand for the vow, with maybe a couple mk II or mk IV thrown in. However, if this is against the rules for the HH ETL, I will scrounge up some FW marines (which I plan to do eventually). Thanks for the input. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 If you shape the round knee pads into shields mark 7 armor is what praetor armor looks like in some of the artwork. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 IIRC, Dorn and the Fists aquired some mkVII on Mars prior to the Siege, and distributed them amongst the defenders, The Fists, The Blood Angels and The White Scars. HERE is an awesome thread by Gawain Veteris on converting mkVI-VII to Heresy Era armour mk's. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Yeah production of MK VII moved to Terra after the fall of Mars, so the legions with the most would be those at the siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Even then, it wouldn't be the primary mark seen. I hear you on cost concerns, man. Mk VI plate is never wrong, and there are a lot of folks who don't care for it. I got a bulk pack of beakies, MK V torso's and studded shoulders for 5 buck offa ebay. Worth looking into, at least. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Perhaps work out a simple/quick conversion to change them to a "MkV variant", since MkV's supposed to be slapdash/experimental. Say, shave off the "mohawk" from the helmets, the rims from the shoulderpads, put a skull or cross over the center of the aquila and liberally apply studs/rivets to the armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 In regards to the ETL, it only matters where the unit is COSTED from, not the finished paint job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Ehem. As we should all know(by all, I mean the fluff nuts who have devoured everything written concerning the Heresy so far, including the FW books), the case for Mk VII has been made ridiculously easy. Just within Betrayal, there is a picture with a SoH and a WE, both wearing Mk VII helms, it just isn't labeled as such. So, yes. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The answer is yes. There is enough customization between the Legions and there is apparently a whole slew of variant patterns that yes, it can be justified as a suitable "conversion" and no one should say a word. And mind you, this is coming from a super serial fluff nut who takes his fluff super serial. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Ehem. As we should all know(by all, I mean the fluff nuts who have devoured everything written concerning the Heresy so far, including the FW books), the case for Mk VII has been made ridiculously easy. Just within Betrayal, there is a picture with a SoH and a WE, both wearing Mk VII helms, it just isn't labeled as such. So, yes. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The answer is yes. There is enough customization between the Legions and there is apparently a whole slew of variant patterns that yes, it can be justified as a suitable "conversion" and no one should say a word. And mind you, this is coming from a super serial fluff nut who takes his fluff super serial. Ok, sweet, thanks guys. So pretty much, mk VII is viable for a HH army, in the sense that many variants could feasibly be mk vii. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Ehem. As we should all know(by all, I mean the fluff nuts who have devoured everything written concerning the Heresy so far, including the FW books), the case for Mk VII has been made ridiculously easy. Just within Betrayal, there is a picture with a SoH and a WE, both wearing Mk VII helms, it just isn't labeled as such. So, yes. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The answer is yes. There is enough customization between the Legions and there is apparently a whole slew of variant patterns that yes, it can be justified as a suitable "conversion" and no one should say a word. And mind you, this is coming from a super serial fluff nut who takes his fluff super serial. There's fluff, and then there's theme. I'll never say boo to anybody i play, mind you, but I just wouldn't personally feel happy with myself if I made a 2000 point Siege of Terra army, wearing straight Mk VII plate. Mk VII just simply doesn't have that...feel. That look. The Grilled helm and aquilla of the VII is the flagship of the 40k image. Every codex. Every piece of art. It's all bloody Mk VII. It is the plate of the Scouring, and beyond, the ceramite wall which the new Imperium is made, the face of the glorious warrior-monk, facing 10,000 years of enemies trying to gut the dying Imperium from within and without. Mk VII is 40k. When you look at Mk II, III, IV, V, and VI though.... it's the face of the dusty, honourable and treacherous past, which we, the Heresy fans, bring to life through paint and fluff. We chose this path for various reasons, and various reasons drive our work. At the end of the day, though, it's the theme which unites us, and the look of the various warplate's most definitely carries that theme. The lifeless slit of the Mk II that shattered the old tyrants of Terra. The prow-faced mask of the Mk III that sent xenos fleets straight to hell, one boarding action at a time. The slick lines of the Mk IV, proof of Mankind's ascension to the galaxy's rule. The remorseless gaze of the Mk V, hammered together again and again as the Heresy raged on, robust and tough. Again, I will not, nor ever, wag my finger at someone and go "no no no" for their choices, especially considering the insane cost of our chosen addiction, lol. But, I will personally take my time, scraping together what I need while carefully managing my costs, for me to look at my Iron Warriors afterwards, and say "I'm ready to kill the tyrant of Terra now.", and not regret a poor choice with the theme I'm aiming for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 True, Mk VII is not part of the iconic "Heresy theme". But hey, isn't the whole point of customizing your army is to create your own theme? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291186-viability-of-mk-vii-armor-in-an-hh-force/#findComment-3690934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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