Night Runner Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Personally, the only reason I would do an Unbound list is to field a completely mobile army made up of Thunder Wolf riders, Swift Claw bikers & attack bikes, Fenrisian wolves - as a main force. Supported by Land Speeders, Land Raiders and Predators. I would love to do a 'last charge' type scenario and mission with this kind of army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3695230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Umm, rage? Doesn't the saga give it furious charge? Which is kinda mostly useless in 6th, and I assume 7th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3695437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Pretty sure unbound lists still use the matrix for determining how units from different codexes interact, so Huron can't get within 12" of those packs. EDIT: In response to Brother Ramses. Didn't notice the second page, and I only just now figured out how to quote other posts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3695447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Umm, rage? Doesn't the saga give it furious charge? Which is kinda mostly useless in 6th, and I assume 7th. Yeah, it used to get furious charge, which ion 5th was good for I5 on the charge. But it was essentially useless ion 6th, as FC only boosts S, which was already 10 thanks to the Dreadnought CCW, so in the re-release of IA apocalypse last year they replaced Furious Charge with Rage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3695619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 'Dogs Day Out' List Wolf Lord - TWM, RA, SS, TH, SotBear 15x Fenrisian Wolves Wolf Lord - TWM, RA, SS, W.Claw, M.Bomb SotWB 15x Fenrisian Wolves Wolf Lord - - TWM, RA, SS, P.fist, SotH 15x Fenrisian Wolves Wolf Lord - - TWM, RA, SS, FB, M.Bomb SotWK 15x Fenrisian Wolves add further 15x Wolves until points reached ---- Hmm, wondering actually, would you say (i know rulebook aint out yet so bit on conjecture) that the unbound rule would override our saga/wargear limits? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3695654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 My reply was lost but thanks again for pointing that put Leif. Have to say... SW contemptors are actually somewhat powerful now. Potentially 4+2 (rage) +1 (extra ccw) =7 attacks on the charge, plus HoW on top of that. Many monstrous creatures have higher initiative but can hardly scratch contemptors, now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3696980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I don't have a list to post, but I wanted to rejoice in the glee I have for my army thanks to the unbound lists possibilities. I now no longer need to pay the nearly 300 points for Logan Grimnar to take 35 TDAWG in any of my games. I don't play competitively so I don't foresee the need for a spike list in any way, shape or form. Not I just need a Caestus Assault Ram and my TDAWP and his brethren can bring the fury of Fenris to any space trash then need!! Dan, you last list however is something I am going to be trying out soon as well. I am currently breaking from painting Fen wolves to building them... I currently have 56 built (some of which are painted) and 2 boxes of them on the way in the post. Of course, I kit bash Canis due to my distaste for the GW sculpt, I did the same thing with LG. But I may run him occasionally anyways because I like MY model. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3697143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hmm, are units of fenrisian wolves scoring when they have an hq joined to them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3698877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hmm, are units of fenrisian wolves scoring when they have an hq joined to them? I'd say no, but the HQ model still is (so as long as you keep him on the objective, you're good). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3699227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I don't think so either... But that certainly won't stop me from fielding LOTS of wolves, or terminators or BOTH!! Seriously, Unbound is a gift from Russ himself to us fluff players. Now if you competitive players can control yourselves, we can all have a good time!! ;) I've seen quite a few articles online where people are intentionally breaking Unbound, which is not what or how it was meant to be used. If you look at the difference between american players and european players, you'll see the mericans out for blood and wins and minimaxed and rawr. The europeans are out for thematics and fluff and story lines. This is meant as a blanket statement and I realize that it is not true in every or all cases. Nor is it meant as an insult. If you take it as one, you need to chill the :cuss out. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3699596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I am now thinking a mix of Wolves, Death Company, and White Scars to a nice 13th Co for Unbound. Of course that would have to be complemented by a Thousand Sons Unbound list that I have yet to create. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Speaking of Rapier batteries, they are awesome. 120pts for 18 twin linked heavy bolter shots. That is all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 What I've been musing on is an (almost) all Lone Wolf army, just for laughs. Keep the Lone Wolves cheap apart from a scattering of power weapons and fists to deal with heavy stuff. It would suffer from a lack of transports but would be quite resilient because most enemy units would have to expend an entire turn's worth of firepower to kill a single model as they are all separate units. When it came to assualt the enemy could either do a disordered charge against multiple models and lose the bonus attack whilst all of the Lone Wolves get to counter charge or they charge a single model, probably kill it but then get swarmed by more Lone Wolves in the next turn. If you compare the stats and cost of a basic Lone Wolf versus a Grey Hunter you see that they are amazing. Also, when you win in assault you get a chance to sweeping advance with every model testing separately but only one needing to succeed!Fluff wise - these are a Lost Company descended into berserker madness making a glorious last charge - hence the increased combat prowess but lack of pack cohesion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Hmm, are units of fenrisian wolves scoring when they have an hq joined to them? I'd say no, but the HQ model still is (so as long as you keep him on the objective, you're good). Hmm, are units of fenrisian wolves scoring when they have an hq joined to them? I'd say no, but the HQ model still is (so as long as you keep him on the objective, you're good). Aye id deinately say no, as the fenrisian wolves have their own rule stating they can NEVER be scoring. Doesnt stop them being denial units though. And that wolf lord with 15 ablative wounds is still gonna need shifted What I've been musing on is an (almost) all Lone Wolf army, just for laughs. Keep the Lone Wolves cheap apart from a scattering of power weapons and fists to deal with heavy stuff. It would suffer from a lack of transports but would be quite resilient because most enemy units would have to expend an entire turn's worth of firepower to kill a single model as they are all separate units. When it came to assualt the enemy could either do a disordered charge against multiple models and lose the bonus attack whilst all of the Lone Wolves get to counter charge or they charge a single model, probably kill it but then get swarmed by more Lone Wolves in the next turn. If you compare the stats and cost of a basic Lone Wolf versus a Grey Hunter you see that they are amazing. Also, when you win in assault you get a chance to sweeping advance with every model testing separately but only one needing to succeed! Fluff wise - these are a Lost Company descended into berserker madness making a glorious last charge - hence the increased combat prowess but lack of pack cohesion. Yep, have deffo been thinking about this, your issue is an obvious lack of long range firepower, but they can still all pack combis if needed. Just need to get them places. The way id see to play them would be as a terminator army, that doesnt care for squad cohesion, so your talking what, 2 points extra a model compared to running WGTDA? and for those two points you get 2 wounds, feel no pain and beastslayer rules? Pretty mint. Also, could you take a couple of land raiders, and have multiple lone wolves embark onto them on the first turn? (wasnt sure with the new edition if you can have multiple units embark upon a transport aslong as you have space?) Your one issue is going to be..say you have 20 lone wolves, and half of them survive, thats a fair few victory points your giving to your opponent in a kill point game!! (unless you wipe them off the board of course!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 What I meant, is: is the attached IC scoring? It wouldn't matter if the fenrisian wolves aren't, if the attached IC is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 now that theyve made pretty much everything scoring, i dont see why not (although obv cos youd be running unbound, he gets nerfed by any battlebound stuff) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I was thinking of doing a space wolf elders lists, as many dreads / ven dreads as I can being lead by Bjorn. Drop podded for lols as well :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I was thinking of doing a space wolf elders lists, as many dreads / ven dreads as I can being lead by Bjorn. Drop podded for lols as well :p An Underfang list!! Bjorn Dreadnought x12 TWC as Beasts of Underfang x20 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 and maybe 1 squad of kaerls as a tribute to that awesome character from botf hehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3704923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 and maybe 1 squad of kaerls as a tribute to that awesome character from botf hehe A squad of Scions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteridder Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Logan Griman Terminator Runepriest 4x 5 terminator squad 2x landraider Crusader 1 x landraider Godhammer 1x Landraider Achilles of landraider spartan Lord of War, Typhon Heavy assault tank Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 If only unbound allowed you to take 30k stuff... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteridder Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 What do you mean. Typhon heavy assault tank and sparten tanks are in the Imperial Armour 2 book and are allowed in 40K games. I also got a fire raptor gunship, also in Imperial armour 2 book, and I'm allowed to use it in games http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2faq.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I meant the rest of it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 If only unbound allowed you to take 30k stuff... Is there a reason why you can't? The HH FE books still call themselves Warhammer 40,000 supplements, and Unbound allows you to use 'whichever units from your collection you want'. Don't how anyone could object to using something like some Scimitar jetbikes in unbound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291224-unbound-fluff-lists/page/2/#findComment-3705972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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