Forge World Prospero Book Status: Delayed 1-2 Years

[Karack Blackstone]

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/05/40k-forgeworld-future-plans.html

 

Hello, I'm sorry to those that want to build a 30K SW force; on the plus side, apparently they want to do the forces correctly, so that's a real plus right there.  Let's try to find positives with this one, considering everything; not easy, however, there is that the Space Wolves have changed very little over the years.  Maybe part of why they want to do things right is because we're not exactly a normal Legion; we are the Sons of Russ, after all.

 

Thoughts?  Again, please try to be constructive.

 

Edit: Rumor mill going on, sorry, should have included that in the title.

[Olis]

To be honest, I'm happy to wait for them to get it right. With what they've done so far in the series, I think some leeway can be granted by us ravening hordes. :P

[Night Runner]

To be honest, I'm happy to wait for them to get it right. With what they've done so far in the series, I think some leeway can be granted by us ravening hordes.

I agree completely. Also it will give me some time to save up a bit of money. With new Primarchs and Forgeworld stuff, plus new 7th edition, plus new Wood Elves, plus the other games I play like Dystopian Wars v.2 - My wallet needs a bit of a breather!

NR

[Leif Bearclaw]

Well, I don't know how seriously to take that, no only because I distrust all rumours on principle, but then there this:

 

"They've said they have reached about 50% of the series chronologically. Of the 14 years the Heresy lasts, theyre up to year 7-8"

 

Everything else I've seen about the Heresy only has it lasting 7 years at the longest. Also how can FW have reached the 50% point, when several of the other opening salvoes of the Heresy (Calth. Signus) haven't been touched yet? Or do we assume Bligh's fluff writing is sooooo far ahead of their rules and model design process?

 

Plus, if we're going to be getting essentially another trilogy of books (given FW's recent release schedule, 3 HH books in 2 years is entirely doable) before we get to Prospero, 'doing it justice' be damned, that is poor organisation. It was one of the opening battles of the Heresy and should have been on their schedules from the get go imo. Bad enough that apparently Propsero now happened the year before Istvaan (I'm pretty sure I remember the novels having between Istvaan III and Istvaan V, not before either of them). They're essentially telling a linear story with these books, the longer they put off jumping back to the past, the more jarring that jump will be.

 

Essentially, hope that rumour is BS, if not boo, bad FW.

[Grimtooth]

Well I am already not building any new GH packs as I wait to see what 7th will bring as well as what our new codex brings.  My normal M.O. was to buy one pack of GH and one SM Tactical Squad to combine into 20 GH with extra special weapons and missile launchers of Long Fangs.  However, will we get grav guns?  Will missile launchers no longer be viable versus armor with the new damage table?  Kinda just in a buying hold that has me looking at making my allied Aettguard force out of IG and Scions.

[Vash113]

Well, I don't know how seriously to take that, no only because I distrust all rumours on principle, but then there this:

Plus, if we're going to be getting essentially another trilogy of books (given FW's recent release schedule, 3 HH books in 2 years is entirely doable) before we get to Prospero, 'doing it justice' be damned, that is poor organisation. It was one of the opening battles of the Heresy and should have been on their schedules from the get go imo. Bad enough that apparently Propsero now happened the year before Istvaan (I'm pretty sure I remember the novels having between Istvaan III and Istvaan V, not before either of them). They're essentially telling a linear story with these books, the longer they put off jumping back to the past, the more jarring that jump will be.

 

Honestly I don't think it's a problem. Yes they might chronologically be skipping Prospero but on the other hand you have to consider the forces involved. It's not just the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons, it's also about the Custodians and Sisters of Silence. Forge World is certainly not going to tackle those two factions until it's good and ready and well along in the Horus Heresy series. I'd expect Prospero only a book or two prior to the Siege of Terra given the involvement of the Custodes.

[Fytharin]

Honestly? I'm a little glad because it gives me time to get over my High Elf obsession and maybe get into some 30k down the road. As a non-30k player this is good news to me.

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

Well, I don't know how seriously to take that, no only because I distrust all rumours on principle, but then there this:

Plus, if we're going to be getting essentially another trilogy of books (given FW's recent release schedule, 3 HH books in 2 years is entirely doable) before we get to Prospero, 'doing it justice' be damned, that is poor organisation. It was one of the opening battles of the Heresy and should have been on their schedules from the get go imo. Bad enough that apparently Propsero now happened the year before Istvaan (I'm pretty sure I remember the novels having between Istvaan III and Istvaan V, not before either of them). They're essentially telling a linear story with these books, the longer they put off jumping back to the past, the more jarring that jump will be.

 

Honestly I don't think it's a problem. Yes they might chronologically be skipping Prospero but on the other hand you have to consider the forces involved. It's not just the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons, it's also about the Custodians and Sisters of Silence. Forge World is certainly not going to tackle those two factions until it's good and ready and well along in the Horus Heresy series. I'd expect Prospero only a book or two prior to the Siege of Terra given the involvement of the Custodes.

 

Why? While the Custodes were involved in the Siege, and that whole War in the webway thing, they were also there at what is now apparently the first combat of the Horus Heresy. And jumping back to the start just before the final showdown would be jarring as hell, not to mention that the Wolves and Sons will probably have to have their post-Prospero actions covered before the Siege, which would be hard if they hadn't done Prospero yet.

 

I've said this before, but why are doing the Custodes such a big deal? What do they have, apart from the Custodes themselves that is so unique? In PB we only see infantry squads of both Custodes and Sisters, so that's rules and kits for 2 squads. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how any of the factions involved in Prospero are so much harder to do than, say, The Mechanicum, who now have a couple of army lists. especially as FW doesn't seem to be bound to the GW 'we can only do rules for things that already have models' design philosophy.

[Vash113]

 

Why? While the Custodes were involved in the Siege, and that whole War in the webway thing, they were also there at what is now apparently the first combat of the Horus Heresy. And jumping back to the start just before the final showdown would be jarring as hell, not to mention that the Wolves and Sons will probably have to have their post-Prospero actions covered before the Siege, which would be hard if they hadn't done Prospero yet.

 

I've said this before, but why are doing the Custodes such a big deal? What do they have, apart from the Custodes themselves that is so unique? In PB we only see infantry squads of both Custodes and Sisters, so that's rules and kits for 2 squads. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how any of the factions involved in Prospero are so much harder to do than, say, The Mechanicum, who now have a couple of army lists. especially as FW doesn't seem to be bound to the GW 'we can only do rules for things that already have models' design philosophy.

 

 

It's not a big deal in that it's difficult, it's a big deal in that they are the Custodes. Save the best for last ya know? It's not about timeline, rules or practicality, it's about importance and the theme and timing of product releases. You really think Forge World is going to release Custodes now and potentially overshadow or cut into the profits of the legion models they are producing? I expect the Custodes will probably be one of the last, if not the very last, faction army released for Forge World's Horus Heresy series. We will probably get every other legion and faction before the Custodes are finally released in full. We may get a single unit option in the next year or two or something relatively minor like that but I'm not holding my breath.

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

 

Why? While the Custodes were involved in the Siege, and that whole War in the webway thing, they were also there at what is now apparently the first combat of the Horus Heresy. And jumping back to the start just before the final showdown would be jarring as hell, not to mention that the Wolves and Sons will probably have to have their post-Prospero actions covered before the Siege, which would be hard if they hadn't done Prospero yet.

 

I've said this before, but why are doing the Custodes such a big deal? What do they have, apart from the Custodes themselves that is so unique? In PB we only see infantry squads of both Custodes and Sisters, so that's rules and kits for 2 squads. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how any of the factions involved in Prospero are so much harder to do than, say, The Mechanicum, who now have a couple of army lists. especially as FW doesn't seem to be bound to the GW 'we can only do rules for things that already have models' design philosophy.

 

 

It's not a big deal in that it's difficult, it's a big deal in that they are the Custodes. Save the best for last ya know? It's not about timeline, rules or practicality, it's about importance and the theme and timing of product releases. You really think Forge World is going to release Custodes now and potentially overshadow or cut into the profits of the legion models they are producing? I expect the Custodes will probably be one of the last, if not the very last, faction army released for Forge World's Horus Heresy series. We will probably get every other legion and faction before the Custodes are finally released in full. We may get a single unit option in the next year or two or something relatively minor like that but I'm not holding my breath.

 

But delay a book with their rules in? We've clearly seen that FW aren't bound by GW's recent 'only units with models get rules' principle, otherwise we wouldn't have had 2 more Heresy books before Mortarion gets a model, or Extermination wouldn't have come out until all the unique units and Primarchs from the IF, IW, AL and RG were ready to go, which clearly isn't true.

 

Like it or not, the Custodes were involved in the opening Salvo of the Heresy. Delaying Prospero just because the Custodes are important doesn't really gel with me, like I said, what do they do with regards to covering later chronological events involving the VI or XV if they haven't done Prospero yet?

 

What are you expecting from the Custodes? As I said in a response that was apparently eaten in the server crash, as a specialist, bodyguard unit I only ever expected 'basic' infantry and characters, maybe Dreadnoughts.

 

If they were going for doing important and thematic units last, why do we already have a Horus model? If there was one thing I'd have expected them to save for Terra, it would be The Warmaster himself.

[skeletoro]

I'm not too worried, because my budget is tight. I actually find it kind of stressful when too much awesomeness is released too closely together.

 

Some things I'm hoping to see released with the wolves:

 

1. A contemptor dreadnought (pretty likely)

2. Some nice fenrisian wolves sculpts (I am not sure we'll see any beyond freki and Geri but hey)

3. Nice sculpts appropriate for use as wolf guard or characters in hh or 40k

4. Something cool drop-pod-wise (that can be used in 40k)

5. Wulfen (I cannot really imagine them not doing this, but perhaps if gw gets there first, fw may skip over them).