Spaz431 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Vector strike has ruined a once useful model. Vehicle damage rules have aided a slightly useful model. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Balefire still burninates the countryside, peasants, and people (in their thatched straw cotteges). And vector strike still works fine against other fliers, trading one hit for +1 on the vehicle damage chart. Having to take something else to crack transports (and its not like we don't have predators, autohavocs, and obliterators for that) isn't that big a deal, and as you pointed out, they benefit from the new damage chart as well, especially as opponents without high quality anti-air were often banking on a lucky destroyed result to down them before. Drakes are fine. More then fine. They're still the best unit in our book, and one of the better units in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaz431 Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share Posted May 26, 2014 Thanks mal, that was better said than anyone in my meta. I will get back to building my second heldrake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I agree with Mal. I was a bit disappointed when I heard the change, but since it still hits d3 against other flying things I'm fine with it. I mostly think of Meteoric Descent as an AA option, with ground targets being strictly opportunistic things. I have also collected all the parts and supplies necessary to make a second Heldrake conversion. Life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I'm interested in how the change affects the rare and illusive Hadesdrake species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I doubt it will, personally. vector strike is still fine against fliers, and we have other options against ground targets. My guess, though this is only a guess, is that the hadesdrake will remain where it currently is, taken generally in a ratio of 1:2 with baledrakes, and rarely taken at all in lists that don't run at least three drakes total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Skull Mask Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Gawd, my milk turned sour when I read the title of this thread. Ok, with the update in, the Heldrake got it pretty bad for whatever reason. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Though it would be intresting to bring up - No escape on page 173. It allow template weapon to be use on unit inside open top transport cause d6 wounds. Just thinking more along the line deal with Orks or say Dark Eldar True Born in Venom's? IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Though it would be intresting to bring up - No escape on page 173. It allow template weapon to be use on unit inside open top transport cause d6 wounds. Just thinking more along the line deal with Orks or say Dark Eldar True Born in Venom's? IP That was my thought as well. The Helldrake might be able to reap a little bit of a bonus out of that rule. The Helldrake Vectoring a vehicle is probably the best bet (on ground units). You will still melt those buggers clinging to cover in the back field though. Personally, I'm building a second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 So Vector Strikes only give D3+1 hits against other fliers? It's only 1 hit against ground targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 D3 not D3+1, as I read it. I don't have it in front of me to confirm, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I'm planning on a hadesdrake simply for my A-10 conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Fulgrim Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Okay, now you can say they were hit by a nerf bat! (But it could have been much worse.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Less hits with Vector, only 1 against flyers and no more fire out of the butt. Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 A moment of silence please for the magnificent iron beast, he who spew fire at enemies and shattered armies all by himself throughout 6th. Thou shalt be remembered. R.I.P Heldrake 2012-2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Don't really see how an faq or core book change could have been worse for them than this. This is as bad as it could get without rewriting their entry. As it is, hades drake, imo, is dead. Baledrake is still, again imo, our best unit, but is no longer one of the better units in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Sigh... he was so deadly and fast... no one made my enemies tremble, like him. You will be missed my spikey friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FENRISÚLFUR Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 At least he went down in flaming glory... Till we meet again dear friend, R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 He supported this family. Without him, we'll have to throw ourselves down on the mercy of our wealthy daemonic cousins. It's either that or the poor house for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polythemus Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 "He was a brave foe, never wavering..." (unzips fly and urinates on grave), "in roasting infantry and bikers alike while ensuring no one loyal to the emperor or filthy xeno ever went unharmed." (walks away whistling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkagl Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Another useless Chaos vehicle first the Defilers now the Heldrakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Fulgrim Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 They could have upped the points, and made the Baleflamer AP4 too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaliGn Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Model the thing with it's head tucked underneath so that it's pointing backward. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 So... Blight Drones anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Not when they have an update with their own possible nerf on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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