Sception Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Which makes it quite powerful, so I'm not quite sure why we're complaining about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 You guys really are sth else. This is a huge kick in the face for Marine players, and the Wolves/BAs aren't exactly happy either when all of the loyalist marines for some reason get a copypasta faq across the board. This is either screaming intentional drawbacks for new books and supplements, or just reeling incompetence. At this rate it would be better if we fade into obscurity like the DE codex was for a decade, at least then we'd still retain one or two barely feasible lists that hopefully don't require ally spam. Although I'm sharing malisteen's opinion that the new Chaos FW book will just start over-balancing units if the Dreadclaw is anything to look to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Which just doesnt make sense. The spell familiar needs to be FAQ'd. it costs like a power weapon because of its ability to negate perils. However, the spell familiar now might even be more dangerous. Let's say you want to cast a warp charge 3 spell, and you do so with 5 dice. you roll only 2x 4+. But no doubles. You re-roll them all, because thats what the current armoury entry says. This time you do roll enough 4+'s. But this time you also roll a double 6. Possible options: - You can reroll the failed dice. - You can reroll up to 2 dice. - You can reroll any doubles. Any of those 3 would help immensely. But as it stands now, and the wording of the current CSM spell familiar fits with 7th (which it does), then you have to roll the complete test, wether that is 1, 3 or 6+ dice. You reroll all of them. Or under the old rules you could reroll your failed test and get double 1s. Same result (passed on the re-roll, but got a perils too) I guess I just don't see quite why you are so upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Yeah-that was my line of thinking there too TJWyrmEdit: If you roll two sets of double 6s, do you make two perils rolls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Daemon prince roll on challenge chart mention got removed. Wonder if that means we get to keep our paid for equipment now. Where does it say that? It doesn't say it any more. That's the point. The old FAQ said you lost all equipment due to DA result from the boon table. There is no longer any mention of losing gear. So you don't. You'll need to read page #29 again my friend. :( It clearly states that "The champion is now a separate, unengaged, non-scoring unit that retains none of the champion's special rules or wargear."... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 ...and become non-scoring while normal daemon princes are now scoring. this makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 We're not supposed to make sense though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 but it does make sense to do what one is supposed to do... so not making sense when supposed to not make sense makes sense and thus is not what one is supposed to do and does not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RapatoR Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ok so apparently vehicles loosing fast for Blood Angels was an oversight and got FAQed pretty soon after the email from BA community. Gotta wonder if Abaddon's loss of immunity to spawnhood/DP roll is an oversight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 We can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 ...and become non-scoring while normal daemon princes are now scoring. this makes sense. In fact it is very special , I don't think there are many non scoring units anymore . The SW lone wolf maybe . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 BA's Death Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Yeah those too. Rather unique club imo . But on the other hand I would love possessed asp champions to have an optionto buy a lvl1 psyker as leader . It would have been so awesome . On the other hand post FAQ , everyone seemed to have switched to either pod armies or counts as marine pod armies. If you get lucky with your starting deck hand , you can wrap up a lot of VPs turn 1 , most of which can't realy be countered by most armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Considering that fully half that card deck is 'capture X objective', and that you open with three cards, yeah, that does tend to be a huge advantage for going first if you have jetbikes or drop pods or fast transports or some other means of shifting scoring units across the board quickly. Random secret objective card were a great idea, imo, but the implementation has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 the implementation is straight stupid. We've already houseruled that card which cannot be completed (ie: kill a flier against armies without one) can be discarded and re-drawn immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I'd also recommend starting with a smaller hand, or removing redundant cards from the deck, or losing the points from objective claiming cards if the objective is later taken from you during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think Abaddon turning in to a spawn is quite fluffy. He has failed so many times with his Crusades that some the Naughty Gods might be getting upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strazhakov Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think Abaddon turning in to a spawn is quite fluffy. He has failed so many times with his Crusades that some the Naughty Gods might be getting upset Not to beat the poor dead horse again but had Abbadon actually failed any of his crusades he would have turned into a spawn millenia ago. If you read his fluff and the BL supplement you'll see that he hasn't failed them. Quite to the contrary actually. But I guess making fun of armless Failbaddon and using worn out 1d4chan maymays is more fun than accepting the canon for what it is. No offense intended but that really grinds my gears and I ain't even a Black Legion fanboi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 shhh dont poke fun at the loyalists. History has shown time and time again that if enough of them repeat fluff mistakes over and over again, GW will change the fluff to suit them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I think Abaddon turning in to a spawn is quite fluffy. He has failed so many times with his Crusades that some the Naughty Gods might be getting upset I dunno. When I read about some psychopath who stabbed his victim 12 times before he killed it, I usually think "WOW what a sick " instead of "LOL what a failer!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Abaddon is just another weak minded, traitor slave to the Ruinous powers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Who invited the goodie goodie^ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Abaddon is just another weak minded, traitor slave to the Ruinous powers.... On the contrary, according to AD-B he isn't really serving the gods he's just using them to become the new Emperor. And none of his crusade have been failures. The only one you could somewhat call a failure is the 12th because he didn't seize all the fortresses only half. Even in the 13th Crusade pre-retcon he won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Actually, there was the one crusade where his fancy new navigation system to exit the eye wherever he pleased was a complete failure, scattered his massive fleet, and left him with just one ship to attack an imperial world with a massive ork waagh barelling down on it. He didn't even defeat the imperial planet before the orks got there, and had basically no hope against their insanely superior force, and barely made it out of there. Yeah, he 'successfully' got a bunch of 'ork specimens', but let's be real here, guys. Orks are the most prolific lifeform in the galaxy. You can hardly stop them from popping up everywhere. Any chaos force that's ever fought orks has had to deal with scrubbing that fungus from their holdings, ships, and even armor basically forever after that. Orks aren't some rare and precious artifact. Basically Abaddon's plan fell apart before it started, he got spanked by orks, an his ship was left with a nasty infestation. No victory there. But they can't all be winners, right? This is 40k, every faction has an embarassing greenskins story, no real shame in that, imo. EDIT: hey, speaking of ADB, has anybody heard from him lately? Anyone know how that book's coming along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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