Frosco Toppings Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Crazy question, but do we know perpetuals look the same every time they reincarnate? That seems to be the implication, but is it true? In fact, I vaguely recall something from Legion about Grammaticus and how he had changed faces when reincarnated. But its early and I drank last night, so I may be inventing things. This has put me off. He now reminds me of a Timelord which isn't good as I think Dr. Who is a god-awful series Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 I agree that it was kinda said when Damon says "Hurry up Johnny Boy I don't know how many times I can kill him." Very dissappointing dipiction of a primarch even a mad one. Hell apparently the delusional and highly depressed emo primarch Curze can wipe out nearly half of the space marine's garrisoned at Macragge. And then nearly rip the face off of with one claw of the guy that can turn Vulkan into a soup strainer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Don't forget guys he had just been burnt to the bare bones after descending through the atmosphere from orbit and basically his entirely body was knitting itself back together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Don't forget guys he had just been burnt to the bare bones after descending through the atmosphere from orbit and basically his entirely body was knitting itself back together. Look, we don't have time for rational explanations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 even that doesn't make sense. in Vulkan Lives he was "killed" many different ways and the only madness that he had to cope with was talking with Ferrus. I was not impressed that now all of a sudden this time when he regenerated he is a stark raving lunatic that can say one word "Curze" over and over again. HAHAHA Deus you posted that right before I posted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 even that doesn't make sense. in Vulkan Lives he was "killed" many different ways and the only madness that he had to cope with was talking with Ferrus. I was not impressed that now all of a sudden this time when he regenerated he is a stark raving lunatic that can say one word "Curze" over and over again. HAHAHA Deus you posted that right before I posted He hadn't passed through the warp undefended and the atmosphere of a planet during his time with Curze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Dante Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Don't forget in Vulkan Lives we only see things from his point of view, we see his mindset from an internal perspective, who's to say if they had a POV from Curze or ilk that he wouldn't just be rocking and drooling in the corner mumbling nonsensical nothings... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 Now that is a great point. And thinking back to that I can just imagine Curze and company watching a pict viewer and laughing at Vulkan talking to the corner of his cell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamafore Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 slightly off topic, but what fixated Curze on Vulkan before the *ahem* odd bits in Vulkan Lives? Did I miss that in one of those flashbacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 slightly off topic, but what fixated Curze on Vulkan before the *ahem* odd bits in Vulkan Lives? Did I miss that in one of those flashbacks?Hey man, when the prophetic visions say you will be beheaded by an Imperial assassin in your throne room, you sit on your throne and bare your throat. When the visions say you will be the anatagonist in a poorly written novel where you do a third rate impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker to Vulkan's Christian Bale, well.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3699980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 slightly off topic, but what fixated Curze on Vulkan before the *ahem* odd bits in Vulkan Lives? Did I miss that in one of those flashbacks? It started on a world that had been invaded by eldar, Curze and Vulkan were sent to deal with them, Vulkan planned a way of doing it without massive causalities, but when they entered the city it was deserted and full of corpses, Curze had already been there. Vulkan got angry and confronted Curze and Curze basically said deep down you're no better than me or anyone else, he wanted to Vulkan to show his "inner monster", but Vulkan relented. Later on some eldar had been captured and were being "guarded" but the eldar got free, or were let free, they killed civilians and caused a stampede that crushed hundreds, including killing a rememberancer that Vulkan had got angry at for asking so many personal questions and he felt anger and guilt over her death, Vulkan found one of the eldar, a young female warlock and instead of taking her back into custody he incinerated her, he also found out a convoy of trucks had been butchered by the night lords. It basically came down to Curze wanting to unleash Vulkan's inner darkness, and Vulkan trying to restrain it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3700325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 So .... If Curze can face and effectivley beat Guilliman and the Lion when its 2 on 1 .......and Vulkan can kick the living snot out of Curze ( or at least do a lot more damage than Guilliman and the Lion)...... and Damon Prytanis can kill Vulkan with eldar pistols to the face........ THEN can't we logically assume that Damon Prytanis can beat Guilliman and the Lion as well ????????? Now thats Paper , Rock, Scissors taken to the next level! Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results or MMAth cover this. Especially as these encounters are written by different people with different views on the participants. Aren't there a few instances where Curze gets beaten by Lionel on his own, yet then holds his own against Lionel and Guileman? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3700361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Unremembered Empire, Dan Abnett. Let me just put it this way: Huehuehuehuehuehuehue You guys are still getting trolled by Dan. I believe that Matt Ward got a better understanding of the 40K universe than Dan has and that is quite the feat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Unremembered Empire, Dan Abnett. Let me just put it this way: Huehuehuehuehuehuehue You guys are still getting trolled by Dan. I believe that Matt Ward got a better understanding of the 40K universe than Dan has and that is quite the feat. I wouldn't go that far. Unremembered Empire wasn't great in parts, but Dan Abnett has still written some of the best 40k novels out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Unremembered Empire, Dan Abnett. Let me just put it this way: Huehuehuehuehuehuehue You guys are still getting trolled by Dan. I believe that Matt Ward got a better understanding of the 40K universe than Dan has and that is quite the feat. You've apparently never read Titanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Unremembered Empire, Dan Abnett. Let me just put it this way: Huehuehuehuehuehuehue You guys are still getting trolled by Dan. I believe that Matt Ward got a better understanding of the 40K universe than Dan has and that is quite the feat. You've apparently never read Titanicus.Or the 5th Edition Space Marine and Grey Knight Codexes. Or *shudder* the Clan Raukan supplement. And now I am imagining Ward's Unremembered Empire... -Guilliman defeats the Alpha Legion assassins by putting on his combat armor instead of his ceremonial gear. But not before he kills Euten and smears her blood all over the combat armor to make it even more immune to bolter fire. -Prytanis singlehandedly defeats Lion and Curze, and then carves "Custer" on both Johnson's ears, and "MacArthur" on Curze's nose -Vulkan comes back to life as a Bloodthirster, and then tries to tempt the Ultramarines to be more disciplined and professional. He is defeated when Guilliman yells for them to unleash all their anger and fight in a beserk fury. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Guys, must every other thread include a shootout between 40K writing and the B&C community? It's the fluff we have, exploring its ramifications instead of burning it outright is something we can do, as well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Guys, must every other thread include a shootout between 40K writing and the B&C community? It's the fluff we have, exploring its ramifications instead of burning it outright is something we can do, as well... I don't negotiate with terrorists. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Fair enough, but I'd still like to hear from the hostage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Or heck, Know No Fear. And it'd be very odd to have read Unremembered Empire without Know No Fear. I'm not sure why, exactly, Unremembered was such a flop, but it's silly to say outright that Dan Abnett doesn't understand 40k. He helped define huge chunks of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I personally liked the different take on the Primarchs and the more superheroic scenes with them. Though I can see how that might be a hard pill to swallow for those who prefer a more ground-based tale, my take on the Primarchs has always been: god-mode-activated. They're simply in a universe full of god-killers. Also, the dialogues were nice, especially Guilliman's more homely language. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I just don't like the cutesy foreshadowing moments. Like Guilliman being all "oh boy I hope I'm never stuck in a stasis pod while my mortal injuries heal, nobody let that happen to me ok?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Like Guilliman being all "oh boy I hope I'm never stuck in a stasis pod while my mortal injuries heal, nobody let that happen to me ok?"You can't heal from mortal injuries in a stasis pod. That's the whole point of it being a stasis pod, and not a "Let a few things change" pod. You can put me down for enjoying "Unremembered Empire" as well. Oddly enough, "Scars", which everyone else praised to the rooftops, was very much a miss for me. I much preferred Guilliman and Lion's dynamic in UE to scenes like this: Fulgrim: I hear your ships are fast. The Khan: I hear YOU'RE GAY! Sanguinus: Girls, girls, you're both pretty and you're both good at swordfighting. Fulgrim: How about a spar, Khan? You name the time and place. Khan: I would beat you so bad it would make Dad cry. I rule, you suck. Did I mention you're gay? Sanguinus: Okay, everybody calm down. The Khan: WHY DO YOU EXCLUDE ME FROM YOUR CLOSE FRATERNITY? CAN'T YOU SEE THE PAIN IT CAUSES ME? I'M GOING OFF ALL BY MYSELF TO BROOD WHILE GROWING A LONGER MUSTACHE! Mortarion: Well. That just happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 @Plague Angel: Didn't remember that one. Aye, those and Bjorn's musings on being inside a dreadnought should be avoided, for the most part. @Wade: Colour me naive, I thought that was intentional to show the Khan's views as falsely profound, a "thorough" analysis stuck on the more superficial aspects of his brothers, due to the distance he kept from others. The Khan struck me as a judgemental person, believing only his 'Freedomyay!' ways were right. It's no wonder he only got close to Horus: he was the only one who had the patience for the rebel rebel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I thought it was interesting that Khan is stated to be close with only Horus and Magnus, a status he shares with Lorgar of all people. Especially given the low opinion he and his Legion have of the XVII and their Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291503-damon-prytanis-beast-or-what/page/2/#findComment-3701848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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