Karack Blackstone Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Reichfaust noticed some time ago (last week) that with the changes to 7th as far as Allies being permitted to ride in allied transports, Bjorn is now able to ride in a Stormraven of the Astartes Stormwing Formation. As I take it the Stormwing is still legal, or, if need be, Allies are taken to bring in a 'Raven, the aforementioned flyer leaves within its hold 12 PA spots worth of room to move a squad around. What goes into that 12 PA slot capacity hold? I'd consider 10 GH, Melta, PW or MotW, WP/RP, WGPL. Points wise this is going to be expensive, however, assuming one lands an overstrength 12 man pack of GH, WGPL, WP/RP plus Bjorn with a Stormraven wherever one wishes, I think this really fixes the problem of getting Bjorn into a fight, or, a Dread, depending upon the role and build. Once our new Codex comes out, the forum here will likely know more. Stormraven Dread or Bjorn (?) Replace (?) with: - 5 Skyclaws +1 WP/ Jump Pack - 10 GH, WGPL, WP or RP - 11 Blood Claws, 1 WGPL as wanted - 10 BC's, 1 WGPL, 1 WP - 1 TDA WP, 5 TDA WG What's your build? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 how about a contemptor rather than bjorn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I believe Contemptors aren't allowed to ride Stormravens. Because, you know, they're so much bigger. Payload wise, I feel that Grey Hunters are the most practical choice for riding in a Stormraven, but you're best off keeping them bare-bones, especially since the stormraven is already such a tempting target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Grey hunters are great because they can get a free weapon and a wgpl. Why wouldn't contemptors fit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouj Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I was actually thinking about putting Njal in with a group of Grey Knight guys. I don't know how denying and njal's power works in 7th, but if he can deny from the ride while generating powers that may be one badass raven, combined with a payload of bjorn. Expensive? Most definately. Game changing, maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Hmm, if a contemptors can't fit, I might have to change plans... lucius drop pod ahoy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Hmm, if a contemptors can't fit, I might have to change plans... lucius drop pod ahoy? Hrrmm... after a bit of digging, I saw claims that Forgeworld stated Contemptor Dreadnaughts were seperate from regular dreadnaughts and should only be treated as such if the list entry specifically mentions them (like the Lucius drop pod does). Unfortunately, this apparently came via their facebook page, which no longer exists, so I can't verify the claim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Ah, hehe. Could do with a FAQ. Until forge world gives us something official that we can access, I think a contemptors dreadnought is pretty straightforwardly a dreadnought, so can fit. Just like a mortis could. Or an ironclad, etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 Ah, hehe. Could do with a FAQ. Until forge world gives us something official that we can access, I think a contemptors dreadnought is pretty straightforwardly a dreadnought, so can fit. Just like a mortis could. Or an ironclad, etc etc. I'm uncertain as to how I think the game is currently set up; the link below has nothing for Contemptors that I can find. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads That said, RAW is typically based on two different outlooks: if it's not stated it's not allowed, or, if it's not stated, it is allowed. Many a thread has come to lock and flames because of this key difference. I'd say run it by any tournament organizers, and assume it's not allowed unless specifically told otherwise. I know moving a Contemptor around would be great fun, and a real threat to the foe; that said, maybe the better bet is a low cost Dread with MM, AC, or some other strong Right Arm choice, and a DCCW and HF in the left. Food for thought, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 This isn't a case of it not being stated, really. No, it doesn't enumerate contemptor dreadnoughts, but nor does it list ironclad. It says 'a single dreadnought'. That's all. I can't see any reason why a contemptor dreadnought is not a dreadnought (unless forge world issues a FAQ to say otherwise). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 This isn't a case of it not being stated, really. No, it doesn't enumerate contemptor dreadnoughts, but nor does it list ironclad. It says 'a single dreadnought'. That's all. I can't see any reason why a contemptor dreadnought is not a dreadnought (unless forge world issues a FAQ to say otherwise). Then I'm going to say this is more wizard behind the curtain stuff than anything else; the Facebook post would need to be found that is mentioned above, and people are free to think what they like and want. I just have heard that in Britain the rules typically seem to come from the not, not line of thinking, as in, if it's not stated, it is not allowed. I just figured things are better left without grey areas; then again, GW isn't exactly great at clearly stating things. Personally, if you want to go with a Contemptor as the Dread for the sake of this thread, what else then would go into the Stormraven? The rules question can wait, I wonder what people are thinking in terms of models and units for this idea now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Firstly, can I just say that I love being name-dropped ;) Secondly, I'm a big fan of a full-sized Grey Hunter squads with a TDA WGPL (with complimentary combi-weapon) attached--of course in the past this has left you only Land Raider or Storm Eagle for transport options. I am very much looking forward to putting this particular combo in a Storm Raven, with Bjorn riding shotgun. Keep the troops cheap and assault-effective with double flamers on the Grey Hunters and a heavy flamer on the WGPL... that's a whole lot of burnination. I also like the possibility of a Storm Talon escort supporting the Raven--granted, that's a lot of eggs in one basket, but that basket of eggs is going to stomp faces when it arrives! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Ok but once again, gw says 'a dreadnought'. Contemptors aren't explicitly included in this but neither is Bjorn. Neither are plastic dreadnoughts or grey dreadnoughts. But they get included by virtue of being dreadnoughts. They are a member of a general category that is included. What would I put in it? Well, GH have flexibility because they can choose to disembark immediately and rapid fire. Plus they can pack in a full unit with free special weapon. that said, it would be quite nice as a blood claws transport. Either option would be fairly competitive, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 i'm going to put a bunch of these guys in it wulfen(death company) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Wolf Priest in Terminator Armor and 5 assault oriented Terminators and Bjorn. SO much scary in your face awesome. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 has anyone thought about adding in a ministorum preist to our TDAWG squads. rerolling armour/invuln saves is pretty cool plus all the other bonuses. sorry i should have said only rerolling in close combat. you can also choose to re-roll failed rolls to wound in combat. and he give the squad zealot. all for the price of 25pts. of course you have to take a small detachment of astra militarum. but i do anyway so i can use my leman russ exterminator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 With a tdawg squad, i'd be tempted to invest in a couple of storm shields (one with wolf claw, one with thunder hammer) and a sanctic rune priest. I'd probably take 2 rune priests or more so that I am likely to have some powers worth sinking warp charge into. Maybe 1 sanctic, 1 div, 1 bio. If the sanctic rune priest got sanctuary i'd pop him with the storm shields By the way... by the time you're fielding a storm wing, you're over halfway to a thunderhawk. Which can't hold dreadnoughts, but can hold any number of infantry units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 H has anyone thought about adding in a ministorum preist to our TDAWG squads. rerolling armour/invuln saves is pretty cool plus all the other bonuses. sorry i should have said only rerolling in close combat. you can also choose to re-roll failed rolls to wound in combat. and he give the squad zealot. all for the price of 25pts. of course you have to take a small detachment of astra militarum. but i do anyway so i can use my leman russ exterminator. Hmm, good catch. And you can take 0-3. Take a wolf guard with storm shield and a ld10 independent character in the same squad so the wolf guard can tank and the priest can succeed his save. If you cast sanctuary you're looking at a 2++ rerollable in cc. Lols. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blckbuster Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 a space wolf being whipped into a religious frenzy by a mortal church official? please tell me you've at least come up with a counts as like a keg carrier or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 a space wolf being whipped into a religious frenzy by a mortal church official? please tell me you've at least come up with a counts as like a keg carrier or something forging the narrative brother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac194/Khyron666/40K018.jpg End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 How about a munitorum mascot? Could be a fenrisian skald or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3698851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 my skald she has a lovely voice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3699003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blckbuster Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 These are truly my brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291520-allied-stormraven-transport-ride-for-bjorn/#findComment-3720741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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