Scribe Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 So, long ago, before the FW HH books, the Heresy was a piece of background, there where no models, no rules, no 'setting' in any real sense beyond the eventual HH Book Series. Fast forward to present. 1. Massive book series, spawning tons of discussion. 2. Model line that is distinct, in both overwhelming design, detail, and quality. 3. Rules set that is (unless FW FAQ it like crazy) distinct and unique in terms of balance and challenges. When you take all 3, you can see obvious area's for each, separate from any need for a solo forum. 1. Black Library Discussion. 2. WIP or Hall of Honour. 3. Tactics. That said, the HH area on this board in particular has been something special to me. It encapsulates all of the above, bringing fluff, setting, modelers, painters, and most recently players, together to create a faction, or community that is greater than the sum of its parts. ---- So I ask you all, should the various threads (like the Tactics threads moved a few days ago) be pushed out, or should they be embraced as part of the greater HH community that is here, in this one forum? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I'd leave it all here to be honest, it's not like there's a massive thread turnover with new stuff disappearing rapidly from the front page, so I would say there's any pressing need to separate the forum into smaller chunks. Having everything in one place is a good idea imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3702975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I could see a separation of HH Background and HH Gaming, but only if it was really really needed, which I don't think it is yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3702982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I like it the way it is. We have a bit of everything background discussions, rules, new model releases, and some great army projects. Ok tactics have recently been moved but that's not a massive thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3702984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromancer Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I wouldn't mind having another thread that was for all releases, instead of separate threads for each as we normally have two or three separate threads per release and that gets annoying after a while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Callius Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I could easily see the benefits of seperating the different sub forums but then again I love the way it is now with some of everything. I say keep it for now untill we outgrow it, but as it is now when you post a topic you get people from all aspects of the hobby to give their opinions and not only the ones in that specific forum (WIP, Rules discussion, etc.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairojin Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I would like to see it all here in one place until that day when there's a need to split it up. And then have a main section in the forum for 30K with sub sections for fluff, tactics and modeling/painting. I don't like that a couple of posts recently got moved to tactics. I think it only creates confusion for both sides if 30K and 40K is mixed in the same sub forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 For what its worth, I'm firmly in the 'keep it all here camp' as well. I like the fact that its all in one place, and also dont see the need for moving threads at this point. Thanks for the feedback all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I have to admit to being a bit irritated that I have to traipse through another section of the forum to find 30k tactics, amongst the myriad 40k posts. I much preferred it before when all 30k (WiP blogs aside) were kept in one area. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Just a quick note - this isn't a democracy. You are certainly free to provide your input, and we will definitely take that into consideration as we move forward. But that isn't a guarantee that you will necessarily get what you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I quite like the one stop shop, the only thing id really like is a specific HH Painting/Modelling section so i can avoid those darn 40k Traitors I didnt notice the Tacitcs stuff had been pulled, that makes me sad :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 The Heresy forum isn't what it once was, years ago. We now have a massive storyline, novelization, new models, new rules, a whole bloody game system that's looking to expand on an entire era from Unification to the end of the Heresy itself; every Legion is getting unique rules, characters, models. Whole new factions will be taking root along with the established Legions, such as the Custodes, Shattered Legions, Mechanicum, Imperial Army, Sisters of Silence, and on and on and on. That's a friggin' lot. And the Heresy is only becoming more and more popular. Imagine taking every faction sub-forum on this board, and pouring them into one spot. One. Singular. Chaos, Angels of Death, all of them, and all their related topics. Fluff questions, tactics, WIPs, novel discussions, everything. That's the road we're heading down. There are already days when I come on the board, and have to scroll pages just to catch up for the day. And the books and FW tomes have only just gotten past Isstvan. Seriously, soak that in for a minute. Imagine what this sub-forum will look like in another year. Or two. Will you be able to find anything? Like, at all? The Mods aren't tyrants. We're not here to be jerks. We're trying to facilitate the board, for the enjoyment of everyone. We're discussing these issues right now, looking at various options and alternatives, to alleviate the potential mess this sub-forum could potentially become, and is becoming. On that note, though, what Bro T said is key. This isn't a democracy. We're not taking a vote. We will listen, we will consider, we will balance, and we will implement, in the best interest of the Bolter and Chainsword, and the Horus Heresy Sub-Forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Which is a fair point. But I'd rather the Heresy stuff had a different sub-section of it's own, as we have for Space Marines, Chaos etc. it's hard enough trying to find 30k posts in the 30k section. Trying to locate them amongst a couple of years worth of 40k posts would be a nightmare! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 You make a good case heathens, but when the 1st page is only 2/3s threads with the latest post made today, I have to say that in its current state there doesn't seem to be enough of case to split the forum further imo, as it's only one page to see anything new in the last day. Also, has 30k tactics been subsumed into the tactica subforum? I'd certainly say it needs its own one, if nothing else to avoid confusion. If I see a thread called 'How many tactical squads is too many?', I'd like to know whether it's referring to 30 or 40k from an initial glance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 My worry is that you split it up and I'll just not bother looking at the content. The HH forum works just for the reasons you've quoted as a bad thing. I can go into one place and pick out the bits I want to read rather than sift through many sub forums and then miss stuff as it's hidden. If you do chop up the content do it in a separate section reserved ONLY for HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Well I hope the Heresy Stuff doesn't get merged completely with the 40k stuff, it's nice to have a dedicated forum to cover heresy topics. If there is a split in the heresy forums, which I would completely understand, especially after what Heathens has said, I hope the new sections would still be Hersey dedicated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Note, I am not under any assumption that this is a democracy, moderation being what it is we know that. For me, its never been difficult to keep track of what I want to find, even after a day or two, but then I'm not in every single thread... There is a dedicated Chaos forum, and there are (essentially dead for some) Cult forums. There are project logs, fluff, discussion, in Chaos Ascendant. One of the moderator team keeps 2 threads for the same effect running on his own log. I just wanted to see if I was alone in thinking a single forum was working. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I honestly don't have a strong stance on what should or shouldn't be in this forum but I do want the conversations of Russ v angron or anything like that we've covered to be left alone. There was a point around a year ago that every argument was getting out of hand and if it doesn't reflect to the original question and has been answered before to be left alone the occasional joke is fine but 6 pages of arguing on the night of the wolf when the question relates to Russ being on terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Lets leave the unmentionable out of this please. For the children's sake. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I honestly don't have a strong stance on what should or shouldn't be in this forum but I do want the conversations of Russ v angron or anything like that we've covered to be left alone. There was a point around a year ago that every argument was getting out of hand and if it doesn't reflect to the original question and has been answered before to be left alone the occasional joke is fine but 6 pages of arguing on the night of the wolf when the question relates to Russ being on terra Why left alone? To you it might be old hat but to plenty of people it's new and exciting and they want to have there views aired. Turning around and saying don't mention it as it's already been discussed in the year blah blah blah, just seems ... erm ... off hand. I'd use stronger words but I'm not aiming to start an argument. Just putting my views across. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Lets leave the unmentionable out of this please. For the children's sake. :D It's just putting me off of the forum I want this to be a place of discovery and brotherhood where we help improve everyone's modelling abilities army building skills and show that were all supportive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think it wouldn't be too terrible to split the HH section into 3 like suggested earlier. 1: Lore 2: Painting and Modelling 3: Army Building and Tactica Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Guess we all use this place for different things. I too like the old improving oneself in hobby but I also want to be able to discuss those questions that pop up in my head about the story behind the game mechanics. The fluff if you want. That's what keeps me throwing my money at GWS when I can afford it. I want to absorb what others get out of the storyline. Everyone picks up on different things and having discussions about that is what makes me come back to this site. If I wanted to just do a blog about what I'm currently doing and asking questions in how to improve my hobby painting/gs'ing I'd not automatically come to this site. However I wouldn't want to put others off by my discussions either. It's a difficult line to draw when different people get a diverse variety of things from the site. So maybe a slight split of the content may be warranted but not so you have to go into far flung parts of the site. A bit like the comment above mentions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I think it wouldn't be too terrible to split the HH section into 3 like suggested earlier. 1: Lore 2: Painting and Modelling 3: Army Building and Tactica I like that as a general theme, though I'm not advocating anything changes. From my personal perspective, even before I was writing for 40K I never liked the feel of forums with "Black Library" having its own subforum - I've always preferred to see a faction's background in that faction's forum, whether it's discussing stuff from a dataslate, codex, novel, or issue of White Dwarf. A "Lore" section would ease my dislike of the segregation, definitely. I've always thought a Black Templars book should be discussed in the Black Templar forum, not in the Black Library forum. Just like the rest of the background. Obviously I'm fairly attuned to this given my career, but I see two threads cut up here and there between two forums fairly often. Do you talk about a Heresy book in the Heresy forum? The appropriate Legion's forum? The Black Library forum? Often enough it happens as two of those, or even all three, with much shorter and less populated threads with way less discussion. Or the ballache of cutting and pasting and following two threads at once, with the phrase "As I said in the other thread..." popping up from several posters. When Helsreach came out it was in the Black Templar forum, and that thread went like a freight train. It's not intentional but the low traffic in such specific subforums on any of the online 40K boards can lead to a little ghetto for discussion. It seems that lot of the novels that came out 2-5 years ago generated much more discussion in their appropriate faction forums than that which we see now. I know I was personally gutted to see the B&C take the same route as WarSeer had, and that Heresy-Online always had, by making BL subforums. I'd always liked seeing books in their respective faction forums, or in "40K Fluff" or whatever. That said, it's the B&C. It could pee in my corn flakes and steal my favourite coffee cup, and I'd still be here every day singing its praises. And I'm sure the specific subforum for novels works for other people, so it's not like I feel a need to rage against the machine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 (snip) I see the point, but I also notice that a lot of the different boards are all rather consolidated. Dark Angels novels are discussed in the Dark Angels board; modeling blogs are posted in the Blood Angels forum. I realize the Heresy is experiencing a boom period of growth, but everything being in one place at least feels consistent with the other forums. Although, when you look at Chaos, it has subdivisions by god, so maybe divisions by Legion would be appropriate? Then fluff, modeling, and tactics can all be in the same places, while it's easier to find what you're looking for. But, I trust the mods will come to the best decision for everyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291720-horus-heresy-forum-what-do-we-want-this-to-be/#findComment-3703227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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