Sn4k30r Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Hi guys, after reading chariots i have some questions, So we have 2x Necron Overlords HQ or a 3rd Necron overlord with a 3rd chariot too, all with scythes.... So everything that hits them he chooses the pool hits where are going.... cant be immobilized, only stunned (which is cancelled on 4+ living metal......) we have 3x 13 AV, which they can sweep 3x s7 ap1 attacks, choose the enemies hits where taken to (AV or IC) how you deal with skimmer with jink 4+ turbo-boost, 3+invu on characters so many rules.... I found them really hard new edition entries for necrons , i would like some ideas how you deal with Necron overlord with 3+invu-chariot-tesseract-scythe, Sweep attacks, and then charge with HoW, d6 hits s6 and then attacks and you still hit the Chariot in melee i see it so strong for 7th,,, So any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Topic moved to Tactica. Dam13n Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
netminder69 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Chariots don't have Sweep attacks in 7th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Don't forget that reanimation protocols give him the entire chariot back :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Chariots don't have Sweep attacks in 7th. Necrons have still sweep attacks on their onw, in page 52, dont know what you mean they dont havy in 7th, Yes knife&fork they return with 1wound unless phylactery which they return with d3, and 1hp barge back...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I believe he was thinking about Sweeping Advance, which is different than the Sweep Attack special rule. Use what you normally use for light armor or characters. Autocannones, krak misslea, plasma or melta work great. The trick is to pile up a lot of hits in a single pool to keep him from spreading the hits between barge and rider. Don't forget, Quantum Shielding does not cover the rear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Even better, have him join a unit of warriors for 20 ablative wounds. Yay! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Get penetrates from range and you drop Quantum Shielding and hit the piddly AV11. Perhaps a melta or two, or lascannons from range? After that they become much more vulnerable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3703853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Even better, have him join a unit of warriors for 20 ablative wounds. Yay! when he is on barge i dont believe he join units! , Seahawk, Get penetrates from range and you drop Quantum Shielding and hit the piddly AV11. Perhaps a melta or two, or lascannons from range? After that they become much more vulnerable. How you do penetrate when he chooses the hits from lasscannons taken as wounds on the rider? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Hmmm. . . charge it and hit it with krak grenades & melta bombs. They can't be used against non-vehicle/MC targets, and quantum shielding doesn't protect against close combat hits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
netminder69 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Chariots don't have Sweep attacks in 7th. Necrons have still sweep attacks on their onw, in page 52, dont know what you mean they dont havy in 7th. Where do you see this? Just went through my Necron codex and didn't see it. I have the iBooks version, so page numbers don't mean anything to me. What section? I believe he was thinking about Sweeping Advance, which is different than the Sweep Attack special rule. No, meant Sweep Attack. Sweep was part of Chariot rules in 6th. Not there in 7th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 quantum shielding doesn't protect against close combat hits. it does ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It doesn't. It only protects front and side armor, right? Close combat attacks against a vehicle still strike the rear armor, yeah? Or did they change those in 7th? I'm still waiting for my rulebook in the mail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It doesn't. It only protects front and side armor, right? Close combat attacks against a vehicle still strike the rear armor, yeah? Or did they change those in 7th? I'm still waiting for my rulebook in the mail. Nope your right. Rear armor for cc attacks unless its a walker. Same as its always been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 It doesn't. It only protects front and side armor, right? Close combat attacks against a vehicle still strike the rear armor, yeah? Or did they change those in 7th? I'm still waiting for my rulebook in the mail. Nope your right. Rear armor for cc attacks unless its a walker. Same as its always been. Hope you are right, dont have the rulebook in front of me, but i hope you are right, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I do have the rule book and Chariots fight using front armour. Hitting the thing with weapons is hard and opponents can split the damage by stacking it on the rider. Still, it makes killing the rider easier of course but a Phase Shifter can make it very hard to kill an Overlord. That is another 45pts though. Chainfists and melta bombs are potentially best against it, as could be a Dread. The thing is tough no doubt though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Chariots don't have Sweep attacks in 7th. Necrons have still sweep attacks on their onw, in page 52, dont know what you mean they dont havy in 7th. Where do you see this? Just went through my Necron codex and didn't see it. I have the iBooks version, so page numbers don't mean anything to me. What section? Command Barge page of the Necron codex under Special Rules between Living Metal and Symbiotic Repair. Also, in the Necron FAQ, first page, right hand side, 4th entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3704751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I do have the rule book and Chariots fight using front armour. Hitting the thing with weapons is hard and opponents can split the damage by stacking it on the rider. Still, it makes killing the rider easier of course but a Phase Shifter can make it very hard to kill an Overlord. That is another 45pts though. Chainfists and melta bombs are potentially best against it, as could be a Dread. The thing is tough no doubt though. Way to poop on my parade, Cap! Oh well. I guess I'll have to default to my "How To Beat Hammernators in 5th Edition" strategy: ignore it, kill the rest of the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I do have the rule book and Chariots fight using front armour. Hitting the thing with weapons is hard and opponents can split the damage by stacking it on the rider. Just to be clear, he can split the hits but each pool has to be one or the other. For instance, if you have 2 tac squads firing their missile launcher at it, he could take one hit on the rider and one hit on the chariot. But if your dev squad fired 4 missiles at it, he would have to take all 4 hits on either one or the other. [edit] Same goes for close combat. If you have multiple powerfist hits, they all go in to the one your opponent chooses to take the hits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Exactly. Hitting the thing with a couple Lascannons at a time will pile the pressure on that 3+ save. Remember, unlike shooting, assault allows the opponent to choose what to target. Deus Ex Ferrum; lol! Don't ignore it too much. It's a fast vehicle after all. It does only have 3 attacks base at WS though. It's slow at wiping out units unless they're small. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Even better, have him join a unit of warriors for 20 ablative wounds. Yay! when he is on barge i dont believe he join units! , Seahawk, Show me where he loses IC status and I'll believe you. ;) The rules for IC only prohibit one from joining vehicle units, not the reverse. (I could be totally wrong about it all, but then why would the Daemons IC's specifically lose their IC when Necrons don't?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (I could be totally wrong about it all, but then why would the Daemons IC's specifically lose their IC when Necrons don't?) Hmmm... I vote incompetence... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The rules for IC only prohibit one from joining vehicle units, not the reverse. So a Necron Overlord cannot be in a unit he is in if he is on a chariot? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Well, here's the stickier widget. Because of the word "though", that next sentence is an exception to the rule of IC's and vehicles/MC's. So, how I read it is: - IC can join any and all units, except Vehicles/MC, even when riding a Chariot. - IC can join other IC's, even if they are Vehicle's/MC. So, command barges ridden by IC's can form a unit, because of the IC rule. They could also join any other non-vehicle/MC unit. I've scoured the IC and Chariot rules to try and make this not work as I describe but...I can't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Even better, have him join a unit of warriors for 20 ablative wounds. Yay! when he is on barge i dont believe he join units! , Seahawk, Show me where he loses IC status and I'll believe you. The rules for IC only prohibit one from joining vehicle units, not the reverse. (I could be totally wrong about it all, but then why would the Daemons IC's specifically lose their IC when Necrons don't?) Even if it doesnt lose his IC status, page 166, IC characters cannot join units contain vehicle or MC, so if you IC still you are an AV too so this rule doesnt allow you to form unit, av + models even if u are IC. Reverse what you mean exactly? attach the vehicle to unit? so i can unit my rhinos with my marirnes? and other vehicles? :P i am sorry there is no reverse,, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291727-chariots-gone-mad-hope-new-faq-soon/#findComment-3705516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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