General Disarray Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 The progress on the initiates is going a little slower. Some of my paint is pretty hold. I have paint pots that came in boxes with a yellow daemon wielding paintbrushes on it. I was getting frustrated with the difficulty in getting the white areas to look smooth on the Initiates. I layered rotting flesh, then bleached bone, then ceramite white hoping that the overall effect would be a nice top layer but I was still getting brush strokes. So I put them on hold and ordered some flow improver to try to get better performance from my paints. I also thought that the neophytes would get finished sooner and the morale boost of finishing them would give me some momentum in finishing the Initiates. http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Initiates3.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Initiates2.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Initiates1-1.jpg And here's a quick shot showing the different eras of Citadel paints that I've purchased. http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Paint.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3722606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Erm, problem, I don't think you can have 10 Neophytes in that squad, the Sword Brother no longer trains Neophytes. I would ask our more knowledgeable Brethren to answer this question. That would be bummer. The SB upgrade should offset the points lost by losing a Neophyte so it should still be worth 335pts I think. They all need to be painted so I'll just do it and worst case I'll just have an extra. Technically, the raw says you can't, but i'm not sure i believe this was intended. I would take the problem up with Captain Semper, as there's bound to be a slight disrepancy regardless The way I read it was that Sword Brothers no longer train Neophytes, so a Crusader squad with out a Sword Brother can take 10 Neophytes, 1 for each Initiate, but if you upgrade to a Sword Bother, he will not train a Neophyte so there fore only 9 can be taken. RAW vs RAI, GW sucks at explaining things properly. Cool Neophytes though General Disarray Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3722607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Also, I deliberately put the Initiates on cork bases to make them look taller and bigger than the Neophytes. I think it's weird to see Initiates and Neophytes on the same size base because the models are too similar in size. Space marines should dwarf scouts more than the models show so I am hopefully that the higher bases make the Initiates look bigger. I'll paint the cork to look like concrete and add some sand/rubble to the neophyte's bases so they both have an urban theme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3722613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Erm, problem, I don't think you can have 10 Neophytes in that squad, the Sword Brother no longer trains Neophytes. I would ask our more knowledgeable Brethren to answer this question. That would be bummer. The SB upgrade should offset the points lost by losing a Neophyte so it should still be worth 335pts I think. They all need to be painted so I'll just do it and worst case I'll just have an extra. Technically, the raw says you can't, but i'm not sure i believe this was intended. I would take the problem up with Captain Semper, as there's bound to be a slight disrepancy regardless The way I read it was that Sword Brothers no longer train Neophytes, so a Crusader squad with out a Sword Brother can take 10 Neophytes, 1 for each Initiate, but if you upgrade to a Sword Bother, he will not train a Neophyte so there fore only 9 can be taken. RAW vs RAI, GW sucks at explaining things properly. Cool Neophytes though General Disarray Thank you, I think they turned out the way I wanted them to look. There's a lot of WFB parts mixed in from WoC, Brets and Empire. I don't have SM Codex so I'm not entirely sure about the number of neophytes either. I figure if I can't take the 10th neophyte then I simply overpainted past the point total which doesn't seem like a problem to me in terms of ETL rules. Painting extra figures is just masochism on my part, painting fewer figures than the point total requires would be cheating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3722620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 The neophytes are just about finished, maybe. They look better, the flow improver helped resurrect my old pot of Red Gore which improved the red color to a brighter shade and helped smooth out some areas that had a rough looking layer of paint. I got some helpful advice from Acebaur regarding the flow improver and I know its going to make a big difference. This forum has always been full of good helpful people. The neophytes don't look bad but they look a little too colorful to me now. Not enough black for being Black Templars. I'm thinking of repainting their arms with Adeptus Battlegrey over the Rakarth Flesh and repainting the forearm guards Chaos Black over the Adeptus Battlegrey. I want the neophytes to have a more varied color palette because they're wearing clothes not power armor but I think they need more black than just their torso armor. It's a bit frustrating, the more time I spend on them the more things I want to do/change leading to spending even more time on them. I'm anxious to finish this vow. I have a lot more that needs painting. I've also been inspired by a lot of what I've seen in other Crusade and ETL threads and I have more kitbash conversions I need to complete. This hobby can be a love/hate relationship sometimes but I'm enjoying myself and I know I'm going to finish this squad and then complete at least one more vow. Therefore, here are today's musical selections: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3726059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sound rather Chaotic to me Brother. I had visions of Khorne Bloodletters and Slanneshi Deamonettes cavorting about. I will need to visit a Chaplain for redemption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3726065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastellanDeMolay Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Sound rather Chaotic to me Brother. I had visions of Khorne Bloodletters and Slanneshi Deamonettes cavorting about. I will need to visit a Chaplain for redemption. You don't need a Chaplain to get into the right state of mind. Manowar - The Power of Thy Sword will soon get you back on the straight and narrow. If you need a little help getting it up (your hatred, of course :P) I'd prescribe Throwdown - Burn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3727899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Excellent progress brother! The initiates are looking especially snappy. Regarding the resurrection of your red and it's new found, brightness, have you considered going over the red with a thin brown wash, then coming back with some red highlights? That might give you some depth and still keep the red prevalent visually, vs. losing it in the background. Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3727908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yes, I need to decide what washes to use on what areas to finish off the paintwork on the neophytes. I have Ogryn Flesh to use on the skin (which is just Cadian Fleshtone now) and Badab Black, Devlan Mud and Gryphon Sepia to use on the rest of the models. I've done some edge highlights and I changed up the color of the sleeves so I'm happy with how they are now I just need to wash them. I'll post pics tonight of all the neophytes individually and ask for some feedback on wash selection and application. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo1-1.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo2-1.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo3.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo4.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo6.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo7.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo8.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo9.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo10.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo10.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo12.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo13.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo14.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo15.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo16.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo17.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo18.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo19.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo20.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo21.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo22.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/Neo23.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 That's all 10 neophytes painted. Some of the edge highlights turned out better than others. Now I just need to wash them. I plan on using Ogryn Flesh on the skin, Devlan Mud on the leather, Badab black on the pants and arms but I'm not sure if I want to wash the torsos with Badab Black, I don't want to dull the aquilas too much. Not sure what to use on the red areas either. I'm not going to do the bases until I finish the initiates that way I can do all 20 bases at once and hopefully that will help them look more unified. Any and all comments or criticism would be welcome and appreciated. I know there's a few mold lines, some of the neophytes are pretty old and I wasn't as diligent with them back then and I just wanted to get started on painting. I wouldn't let me laziness overcome my zeal in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 You know something, I was not too sure of these guys to start with, but, they have come out really quite cool. Well done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Agree with Brother Francis, I like how they turned out. I especially like the helmet on the first neophyte. Where did that come from as he looks positively "medieval". :) Regarding your Red, I would use a thin brown wash (like one drop of brown to 10 drops of water). This will tone it down a tad. If you want more toning down, after the first coat dries, do another. When you are happy with that effect, then you can take a thin brush and do just a thin red line on a few hard edges and that will give it some pop. Regarding your Aquilas, a black wash will dull them down and muddy your efforts. Another possibility is to take the original color you used on the aquila, mix either some white or a light sand/bone color (50:50, i.e. one to one) and lightly dry brush over the eagle. That will preserve your original color, give it a highlight and soften the overall presentation. It's also quick and easy. Any stray brush marks on the black can be touched up and you're off the the races. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Thanks for the compliments and the advice. I'll try watered down Devlan Mud on the red and I'll mix in some Bleached Bone with the Burnished Gold to drybrush a highlight after I wash the torsos in Badab Black. I was hopeful but not certain that the WFB bits would blend well with the BT theme and I'm happy with the way it looks in the end. I have some more conversions lined up that I think will look even better. @Honda The helmet you like is from WFB Empire Greatswords, I believe it's the champion's helmet from the box. I was able to get the helmet and the axe from a bit seller on ebay. The axe is a little small but it has a maltese cross cut into the blade which made it too cool not to use in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3728995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Oops! Are the aquilas metallic? Then you don't want to do what I suggested. I was thinking they were a brown like Snakebite Leather. Ok, for a metallic gold, you can use Devlin Mud, let that dry and then do a light dry brush with the original gold. <cue Maxwell Smart voice> Sorry about that, chief! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3729033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 About your red issue. When I painted up a few Blood Angels, I based in Blood Red, old paint, washed in Devlan Mud, then highlighted with the Blood Red. It looked great, dirty, old, as if they had been in combat for a long time. When I washed them, I was not carefull at all, I just splashed it on. The un even application helped with the old, dirty look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3729244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 All the neophytes got their washes applied. While applying the washes I noticed all the little spots where I need to touch up the paint so I'll try to do those touch ups so they're 100% done aside from basing. I also got to most of the mechrite red base layer applied to all of the red areas of the Initiates. Questions for the forum, I used Khorne Berzerker legs on some of these guys and while I think they look good I have the problem of the pointy trim on the greaves. I don't want to paint it burnished gold because they'll look like Black Legion so I either need to paint it boltgun metal/chainmail or maybe gray? I was thinking possibly red but I think that might be too much red. I'm enjoying the process of getting these guys ready to go dig through ditches and burn through something or other. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQuihD0hoI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3730165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Disarray Posted June 28, 2014 Author Share Posted June 28, 2014 I need to put the transfers on the shoulder pads of the neophytes and they'll be finished until I do all the basing. Working on finishing up the initiates so I can move on to another squad. My SB fell off the table so I need to glue the icons back onto his backpack later. I made a first attempt at painting a crusade badge on his knee. Thanks for making it look so easy guys. I'm debating whether I want to paint over it or try to salvage it. http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/Dead_Funny/crusadebadge.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291829-my-etl-iii-plog/page/2/#findComment-3732060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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