malorn24 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 this is why I love B&C. So many passionate responses. Please understand I am a huge fan of the TDA it just felt out of place to me personally. But all of you have great and valid arguements and points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3706490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I can totally see white scars using dreadnought internment as a punishment for crimes against the legion. It would definitely make for a cool story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3706547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The White Scar's cultural refusal of entombment in a combat chassis is no more weird than the Wolves of Fenris having no problem with dropping screaming from orbit in thin metal pods, yet despising teleportation. *shrug* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3706667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf86 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I am still tempted to do a Scars force but am a little put off because it might be better to wait until FW cover them. I hope they can have dreadnoughts though even in limited numbers. Before the Khan was reunited with the legion they would have had dreadnoughts and some would have survived. Even after I can't see any terrans amongst the legion would be too against living on in a mechanical behemoth! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3706840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Did the White Scars have a tendency to split their Legion during the Great Crusade? You can easily justify a Dreadnought by stating that it belonged to a crusading host of Terran WS who had been operating away from the main body of the Legion for decades by the time of the Horus Heresy. As for the WS having Terminators, I don't see a problem with it at all. Even though it doesn't quite fit with the style of warfare that we commonly associate with the WS. As stated before, every Legion had the capability to deal with every form of warfare. They might have gravitated toward certain means more than others, but all still had the same armory to draw from. We don't commonly associate Terminators with the lightning-fast stealth masters of the Raven Guard either, yet the Legion contains at least one formation equipped with Cataphractii Terminator Armor (the Deliverers). In the same vein, the Alpha Legion deployed over a hundred of their Terminators as shock troops during the Invasion of Paramar V. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3706864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 And even the Iron Warriors have landspeeders. If you think it's cool, model it and play it! It's your hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3707136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 And even the Iron Warriors have landspeeders. If you think it's cool, model it and play it! It's your hobby. Lol, I'm doing exactly that. If you're gonna play a gunline, you better have some fast responders in case of a line breach. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3707172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Terminators are basically baby Dreadnaughts so they should be viewed in similar ways. The Scars believe the souls of the fallen should be free to roam with the wind A dreadnought would be a prison in which a fallen warrior's soul would forever be trapped. Terminator armour is just a heavier type of power armour. The Scars have no spiritual objection to wearing it. Terminators are slower...but that doesn't mean the Scars would have zero Terminators among them. Raven Guard and Alpha Legion (the ninjas and super-spies of 40K) have hulking, distinctly un-stealthy Terminators. I don't see why the Scars can't have them. Furthermore, WS Terminators, like WS ships might be modified. Less protection for more speed and flexibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3707334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castrmen Orth Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You know i always liked the idea of one really ancient white scar dread a bit like bjorn who keeps the chapters lore. Maybe gets woken when its time for a hunt to begin to impart what knowledge he knows of the target like a living encyclopedia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3708345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 You know i always liked the idea of one really ancient white scar dread a bit like bjorn who keeps the chapters lore. Perhaps the last surviving Terran WS Anyway, as has been mentioned...Terran WS dreadnoughts and perhaps Chogorian WS dreadnoughts (out of penance) would be cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3708669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 You know i always liked the idea of one really ancient white scar dread a bit like bjorn who keeps the chapters lore. Perhaps the last surviving Terran WS Anyway, as has been mentioned...Terran WS dreadnoughts and perhaps Chogorian WS dreadnoughts (out of penance) would be cool Terran White Scars are the most likely candidates for Dreadnought insertion. I'm sure there are other reasons a Scar would agree to internment - Penance, Vengeance, atonement. I don't think the Scars would reject using certain formations or tools either. You can't expect an entire legion to be mounted on Sky Hunters and that's it. They need to be tactically flexible and adapt to the situation as needed. Although I can imagine the Scars loving the Sicaran Tank because it fits with their preferred mode of warfare, they'd also be capable of deploying Super Heavies, Support Squads, Rapiers, etc. For instance, I've got a Breacher Squad in my White Scars force mainly because I like the look of them but also partly because I intend to use them in Zone Mortalis games. If Imperial Fists can have Jetbikes, I can have Breacher Squads! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3708935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I always wished the White Scars had something like an uparmored Land Speeder to be used in place of dreadnought bodies. Something like a Javelin, crewed by the shattered form of a fallen legionnaire seems like a decent fit. His spirit isn't free to roam, but the form he's taken can at least support the legion's primary doctrine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3709501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I can totally see white scars using dreadnought internment as a punishment for crimes against the legion. It would definitely make for a cool story. That's brilliant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3709579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I always wished the White Scars had something like an uparmored Land Speeder to be used in place of dreadnought bodies. Great idea...and in a sense, his spirit would be free to roam. Hibernation would still suck, but in battle, his shattered body would be one with a land speeder, not a clunky, lumbering dreadnought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3709939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I always wished the White Scars had something like an uparmored Land Speeder to be used in place of dreadnought bodies. Great idea...and in a sense, his spirit would be free to roam. Hibernation would still suck, but in battle, his shattered body would be one with a land speeder, not a clunky, lumbering dreadnought Still a trapped soul though, which is the reason for their objection to dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3710127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Still a trapped soul though, which is the reason for their objection to dreadnoughts. I think it would be a lot less objectionable though...since at least the warrior's soul would be free to ride on the wind when awake Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3710422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Still a trapped soul though, which is the reason for their objection to dreadnoughts. I think it would be a lot less objectionable though...since at least the warrior's soul would be free to ride on the wind when awake Ehhh. To me it's a black and white scenario: Soul is trapped/not trapped, regardless of the tomb the soul is actually trapped within. Personal opinion, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3710431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Ehhh. To me it's a black and white scenario: Soul is trapped/not trapped, regardless of the tomb the soul is actually trapped within. Personal opinion, though. For me it's more like... As a Chogorian WS, you'd probably prefer death to either one...but if for whatever reason you had to fulfill a dreadnought-like role for the good of your chapter/legion, I'm pretty sure you'd prefer the land speeder option to being stuck in a big, lumbering robot body Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3711059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Maybe put them in one of those landspeeder fighters, the name escapes me. I could see one of those being a ln alternative! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291834-white-scars-terminators/page/2/#findComment-3711089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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