Rayray Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 As a word bearer (codex crimson slaughter) player I face the constant nagging aggravation that the Dark Apostle just isn't as solid of an HQ choice from a general lack of wargear options, such as a jump pack or bike. So my question is this: Do you guys just deal with it and take one anyways, or outfit another character to be your dark apostle. If it's the latter choice, how so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I find that Zealot does make a big difference as a force multiplier if you have a large squad with lots of attacks. Even with my EC, I would run my DA with like 10 Possessed or 10 Chosen. That said, you could use a Chaos Lord or a Sorc as a DA. I see no harm in that. And, I may just do that myself with this guy; Chaos Lord w/PF and LC as Dark Apostle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I've definitely given using a sorcerer or lord as a da somne thought. I generally come to this issue of lacking a force maul for the sorcerer, which would be the ideal choice, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Beyond faith, there is little that is required of a Dark Apostle to lead a host. We've seen examples of great warriors and powerful sorcerers, so don't feel constrained by the preconceived notions of a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Also, remember that fluff-wise, Word Bearer Marduk's First Apostle Enusat weilded an Autocannon, not a Power Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 For me, it's always fluff over function, so I tend to just get over the fact that he is not the best choice and take the Apostle anyway. I don't play the Crimson Slaughter Codex so I can't really advise you on wargear here, but if you wanted to run them with the normal codex I set mine up like so: Dark Apostle Mark of Tzeentch (purely for 3++ but fairly fluffy too as it could represent protection from daemonic pacts etc) Gift of Mutation Burning Brand (this is awesome! Not recommended on DA by some on here but it's worked for me and gives him some ranged power. Again fairly fluffy - counts as Daemon Weapon type thing). Failing that, a Lord (Terminator?) with Black Mace would be nice or a Lvl 3 Sorcerer with Black Mace and all Malefic Daemon Summoning would again be pretty awesome and very fluffy. If I was going for a Crimson Slaughter army I would use this set up: Lvl 3 Sorcerer (Counts-As Dark Apostle) using all Malefic Powers Daemonheart - 2+ IWND Prophet of the Voices - improves malefic casting Sigil of Corruption - 4++ Force Staff counts as Accursed Crozius - similar stats and force power could be the DA sacrificing their souls Familiar - helps with casting Will be one damn expensive character but very good and very fluff oriented. Good luck :D Edit - cut MoT from suggested CS character as compulsory Tzeentch Power prevents all Malefic despite reduced inv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I would totally use a different model, the DA model is terrible. As for actually using a DA, they're not par to Lords and a lot of cases Battle Chaplain's aren't the best of leaders. You can just say your Lord is a Chaplain without the Maul, using a flamethrower or Demon weapons gifted to him as a token of favor. While I agree rules don't really shine on an army (Nightlords and Raptors argument circa 3.5), our codex (again, sorry) doesn't portray armies well enough like the loyalists or FW focs do. I've considered using a DA previously, but the standard unit is almost a waste outside of blob cultists and non-fearless marines, and the CS upgrade is sadly better used on a BotR or Prophet upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Beyond faith, there is little that is required of a Dark Apostle to lead a host. We've seen examples of great warriors and powerful sorcerers, so don't feel constrained by the preconceived notions of a name. Yeah, I think there's an issue in that a dark apostle (the codex choice) and a Dark Aposle (the leader of a Word Bearer host) aren't necessarily the same thing. The codex apostle is way too restrictive and simplified to represent many host commanders, and he's also a more generic figure found in other legions and warbands. Don't get too caught up on him, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I use this bad boy as my Dark Apostle.. THE Dark Apostle.. The Fall of Manking.. Erebus! I run him with a massive 30 man squad of close combat cultists. They run in-front of my army and he stands at the rear next to the other 30 man squad giving them all a reasonable leadership and rallying them as needed. Then when he gets into close combat his unit gets a ton of rerollable attacks. Not too shabby, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 That model is BAMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Heres one i made myself. Its a Sorcerer Apostle. hes pretty WIP in this pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 I'll be taking the advice and commandeering some gk bits and fantasy bits this evening. Sorcerer da is going to work, especially with malific. Just debating between bareheaded or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 If you have faith in the chaos gods then you have faith that you wont need a helmet. To think otherwise is a terrible heresy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 If you have faith in the chaos gods then you have faith that you wont need a helmet. To think otherwise is a terrible heresy! Until he happens to hitch a ride on a Nurgle vessel full of Plague Flys, lol. But then again, such is still part of Father Nurgle and the Pantheon, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Here's what i ended up with. I plan on leaving him at this stage for the next painting vow. http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg512/sepherum/IMG_07611.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Very nice! What did you use for the top of the staff - the chaos wheel thing? How did you decide to equip him in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 It's a part from the fantasy chaos chariot/slaughterbeast chariot. He's going to have spell familiar, prophet of the voices, sigil, malefic powers and force staff. More or less the advice on the build I was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Awesome! Been looking at getting hold of some of those parts myself. Nice, sounds good. I hope he works well for you, looking forward to seeing him painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I was thinking with the new unlimited FoC battle forged army you could make something like Detachment 1 Chaos Lord Sorcerer cultists x35 or whatever cult unit you prefer cultists detachment 2 Dark Apostle Sorcerer cultist cultist detachment 3 Bel'akor Chaos Lord cultist cultist Stick all the Hq's on the cultist or whatever you have troop blob for ablative wounds and lots of attacks then have belakor fly behind them casting invisibility and shroud on them. Run them wherever they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 As a word bearer (codex crimson slaughter) player I face the constant nagging aggravation that the Dark Apostle just isn't as solid of an HQ choice from a general lack of wargear options, such as a jump pack or bike. So my question is this: Do you guys just deal with it and take one anyways, or outfit another character to be your dark apostle. If it's the latter choice, how so? I've got a few Dark Apostle converted up for my Iron Warriors useing bits from the DA Chaplainf rom the Dark Vengance box game, see my IW army log for those conversion. First one I converted was just standard set up with Bolt Pistol & there standard weapon. Other one I converted with the Buring Brand for a 1250pts event. I was greatful for the change as it was orignaly going to be a Power Armour Lord. But change it to Dark Apostle just due to conversion idea more than anything else & I ended up gaming against three diffrent Orks armies during the event. Was only the last game I'd say he'd let me down as I failed two look out sir & then failed two armour saves (four 1's in a row!!!). Overall I enjoy useing Dark Apostle in games & I've always enjoy converting Chaplain type models for any of my marine armies. Also I like the short story by Ben Counter in the Endeavours of Wills from the Architect of Fate novella, which show a small Iron Warriors strike force who have a Forge-Chaplain. I like the idea that they'd be saying the Unbreakable Litany while in battle. Here's what i ended up with. I plan on leaving him at this stage for the next painting vow. http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg512/sepherum/IMG_07611.jpg That really cool conversion :D IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 It's a (very) old one but: http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r358/MatthewDaunt/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-06-0420223542_zpsezwtpvmr.jpg D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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