Marshall Bretton Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 May be an easy one, but just wanted a bit of clarification, apologies if it has already been covered. In an unbound army can you only take units normally found in the dedicated transport section as a dedicated transport, or can you take them as a unit on their own. For example a drop pod is normally only available as a dedicated transport, could I take it as a unit of it's own without needing a squad for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I would have thought that, in theory at least, yes you could. However the power of the transport is usually the unit that it contains (I'm aware that certain transports may be exceptions [cough]Night Scythes[/cough]). A drop pod on it's own is a (relatively) easy kill point, although it could be used as a line of sight blocker, I suppose. Essentially there is no FoC for unbound armies, you can take whatever you want, from whatever codex. Jumble them up and get going... the only thing to be careful of is the allies matrix and the effects of Desperate Allies / Come the Apocalypse. Now that does raise the idea of other marines "borrowing" Blood Angels Razorbacks and Rhinos (thus benefiting from fast transports)... or indeed Marines "borrowing" Chimeras etc. Effectively Unbound is Apocalypse play... there are no limits... take what you want... The idea behind it is to allow the free creation of themed lists, or to recreate famous battles from the background, without having to worry about meeting restrictions. If your approaching it with that intent, then I doubt you'll have any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 yeah the drop pod was just an example I picked, the question came up actually because of Bjorn the Fell handed who cannot take a drop pod (outside fw at least) but it does open some options that can be used Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You could include any number of Dedicated Transports you wanted. Like a load of Grey Knight Razors for thier guns and Warp Charges. The debatable question is whether other units could start embarked upon them. Unbound doesn't specifically negate the Dedicated Transport restrions on embarked units. It just waivers any Detachment Restricions (of which Unbound uses *no* Detachment to not follow thier restirction...), and has no FoC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Not a bad question. I think the intention of unbound is to just bring whatever models in whatever slots of codex entries in your list. That said, dedicated transports are purchased with the entry, similar to wargear. To me, the option to purchase a dedicated transport only happens when the unit that has access to it purchases it as well. Then again, Unbound is Unbound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Sadly, I think GWs stance with Unbound is "Do what you want, we don't care!!". And I doubt they will give any sort of 'official' clarifications on the rules of Unbound armies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Like I said, it offers up some unique options for narrative play (don't shoot me please... ). [slightly off topic] For example, a surrounded and trapped force of Crimson Fists getting evacuated by a Mechanised force of Blood Angels. You could have Kantor and 2-3 units of Sternguard, plus maybe a Dreadnought or Thunderfire Cannon etc. starting on the table, with a Blood Angels force of Baal Predators and Rhinos/Razorbacks starting in reserve... The aim being to extract the Crimson Fists before they're overwhelmed. Now there was nothing really stopping you doing this at any point in the history of 40k (except people's imagination), but it's now that much easier to do. [/slightly off topic] I would imagine that the ruling about units not being able to deploy in "another units" dedicated transport would have to be agreed between players as it's not really covered in the unbound rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Do you consider dedicated transports Units? If so, then I think Unbound gives you permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Dedicated Transports are units in their own right. But Unbound only relaxes 'detachment restrictions'. The restricion on what unit can start the game embarked in a dedicated transport isn't a detachment restriction, but a rule of Transports. Unbound does nothing to change those rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Which only restricts which units can deploy in those transports. As far as I understood the OP, he wasn't asking to deploy dedicated transports with other units in them. He was asking if he could add them to his list on their own, when otherwise they would be unavailable to us without bringing the unit that unlocked their purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 ... he did then clarify that he would like to put Bjorn in a Drop Pod, which is why the discussion has progressed slightly. So, would such a union be allowed? (See post #3 in this thread) I'd be tempted to say yes, as having Bjorn come down in a Drop Pod would be a cool cinematic moment in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 It's cool, but sadly not allowed. Dedicated Transports (Page 82); when it is deployed, it can only carry the unit it was selected with This is a Transport restriciton, and Unbound does nothing to remove it. Sure, you can take a DT in a Unbound army without taking a unit with it, but in that case nothing can be embarked when it is deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm aware of that, but what I'm getting at is that if I were playing an unbound game against an opponent then it's more than likely to be a narrative affair rather than a competitive one, in which case the flagrant breaking of the dedicated transport rules would most likely be discussed and agreed before the game. RAW wise, you're right. However, the way I see unbound games... playing loose with the rules may well be required. Now I like RAW, it's useful, especially in a competitive framework, but I doubt we'll see too many examples of competitive gaming involving unbound armies, they're just too difficult to balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Unbound isn't really too different to Battle Forged. Not now you can take an unlimited number of FoC at any points levels. I still don't get the reluctance surrounding Unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Neither do I really. I see it as a great tool for putting together themed games. But we're somewhat diverging from topic at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 :) I think the question's been answered fully though. Not much else to say on the topic. RAW, can't be done. RAI, GW don't care what you do, go nuts have fun. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 yeah i think the best answer really has been ask your opponent, personally I think there are only very specific circumstances when you would want a dedicated transport on it's own anyway (like the bjorn example I used) Thanks for your input all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 It would be nice to bring your entire army in drop pods. Terminators and bikes too. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Well im wolves so my terminators can drop pod, but yeah bikes in a drop pod would be really funny THUNDERWOLVES IN A DROP POD!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 It would be nice to bring your entire army in drop pods. Terminators and bikes too. To bad Bikes can't be transported in Drop Pods. Drop Pods don't list them as an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Sorry that you thought I was suggesting you could. That was wish listing on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It would be nice to bring your entire army in drop pods. Terminators and bikes too. To bad Bikes can't be transported in Drop Pods. Drop Pods don't list them as an exception. WHEEEEEEEEE! BANG! VROOOOOOM! Too bad :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Sorry that you thought I was suggesting you could. That was wish listing on my part. Ah. Well, certain Terminators can ride Drop Pods (and all used to), so it didn't quite register as just wish listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepowerofwar Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I always viewed dedicated transports like a kind of wargear or an unit upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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