Gentlemanloser Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Nope. Go for it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3710950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 If it's one of those do-or-die moments, I'd take the risk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3710986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Take the risk, unless if you have 2 Psycannons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3711110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I'm pretty sure you're forced to use the 'Assault' profile of the weapon if you move. Same applies to Salvo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3713183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The only forcing is TDA is *always* forced to use the Heavy Profile. Usually a good thing, but it's still a forced mode. Maybe somehow your TDA loses Relentless. You can't choose to use the Assault mode. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3713196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Usually a good thing, but it's still a forced mode. Maybe somehow your TDA loses Relentless. You can't choose to use the Assault mode. Entirely theoretical. Special rules that remove other special rules without referencing base mechanics (ie Ignore Cover ignores cover, not Stealth) are very rare in 40k, and for good reason. If you removed Relentless from Terminators you'd make their heavy weapon useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3714155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Apart from things that Ignore FnP (for an example only). As I said, it was just potential situation where the forced choice to always use the Heavy profile could be detrimental. Will that ever happen? Probably not. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3714168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Right, at home, finally, got my Codex and a 5 man PAGK squad. Going to enjoy reading this. Dreadnought on the way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3714319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Allow me to be the first forum buddy to say, Welcome Home, Brother. And no, no rule I know of against using heavy and snap shooting with PAGK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3716593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 * The perfect Warrior. So, a character with this on their profile can not just charge in and attack as a part of a squad or as normal? He has to take a stance and act in that way? Not sure I like this rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3718405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 I don't like it either, well not anymore. It was good if you had a lone champion that was charged as the enemy unit needs to get into base contact with your model and thus Sword Storm could wreak havoc, providing his initiative was higher. But since his psychic power has been removed he is a sub-par choice. Not a bad as Crowe, but since they're pretty much the same it's damn close. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3718604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I don't like it either, well not anymore. It was good if you had a lone champion that was charged as the enemy unit needs to get into base contact with your model and thus Sword Storm could wreak havoc, providing his initiative was higher. But since his psychic power has been removed he is a sub-par choice. Not a bad as Crowe, but since they're pretty much the same it's damn close. Bro Champs are literally useless now. 'Perfect Warrior' is anything but. Dumbest 'special snowflake' rule they've ever done to a combat character. I mean, he's bad at melee because of it, and yet melee is all he does. 'Heroic Sacrifice' was the final nail in the coffin. Crowe has been unplayable since our codex came out. Even if they gave him IC status now, he'd still be too worthless to bother with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 People still take Crowe, not because of his awesomeness but because he unlocks purifiers as troops. He doesn't contribute anything to the detachment and is a hinderance rather than a help, simply a bad design choice because of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 But you don't need 'Objective Secured' Purifiers. 'Objective Secured' Terminators we have by default, you can almost get another squad of them for Crowe's price. I see no reason why you'd want Purifier Troops anyway. They're perfectly fine as Elites, same as Paladins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 Terminator Troops are almost too good to pass up. But at 400 points for a 10 man unit plus extras? That's a big point sink in a 1500 point game. I have been reading C:GK and have another question concerning Purifiers and Purgation squads. Purifiers x 10, 4 x Psycannons, KOTF with Force Halberd = 282 points Purgation Squad x 10, 4 Psycannon, Justicar with Force Halberd = 283 Both can take Psibolt Ammo, Purifiers are Fearless and have 2 A. Other than the extra choices in the Elite section, why would anyone take the Purgation Squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Well, people don't! And the Heavy slots are always filled with dreadnought/dreadknights anyways! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 They are pretty amazing when they can deny other elites on an objective. Never use Crowe myself, I use TGS from the GKGM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I use purgation squads in larger games, generally as a minimalist squad. Justicar and 4 psycannons for 180 pts. They are fairly effective if you can keep your opponents' attention on other threats. And now, with them being scoring, they could actually be an effective home guard unit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3720562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Right Brothers, it's HQ time. I am probably going to go with Grand Master Mordrak, I like the Idea of a 10 GK Terminator unit Deep Striking with no scatter and the ability to SCOUT another big squad of Terminators. GK Terminators with OUTFLANK. I also like Justicar Thawn. I do have a question though. Is he really a 75 point up grade for the Justicar already in the squad? If so he is a tad expensive, points wise. Does any one else play him? Is he worth the points? I will be aiming for a PURE GK army and going for 10 man squads to maximize Psicannons and Psibolt ammo. I can always combat squad them later if I wish. I would like some advice from GK players as to which HQ they play and why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 I have my 1850 point strike force mapped out. Just need to buy it all now. Mordrak 10 Purifiers, 2 x Hammer, 8 x Halberds 10 Terminators, 2 x Psycannon, 1 x Hammer, 9 x Halberds, Psybolt ammo 10 Strikes. 2 x Psycannon, 1 x Hammer, 1 x Halberd, Psybolt Ammo 10 Interceptors, 2 x Psycannon, 2 x Hammers, 2 x Halberds, Psybolt ammo Dreadknight, Heavy Psycannon, Greatsword Psyfleman I plan to Deepstrike Mordrak and the Terminators, Outflank my Dreadknight, the Interceptors I will use to bounce any objectives towards the end of the game, Strikes will stay close to the Dreadnought for mutual support, Purifiers will be Outflanking if I roll enough, if not, aiming for a nice juicy HQ choice. Comments welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yes, I play Thawn, and yes, while I think he is a touch expensive, I like him. It's funny, watching my opponent's face as Thawn stands time after time. Plus, once he is separated from the unit, he is his own troop option with Objective Secured Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It's a good list, but Mordrak is not an IC so cant be attached to a squad. I thought the terminators you're referring to were his ghost knights which would also allow you to attach an IC to Mordrak providing he has at least one. For 75 points you should get the teleporter for the NDK. It will ensure he is on the table first turn and not delayed. Not sure on the specifics of Interceptor but I think interceptor also works with outflank as that is coming in from reserves so would be just as susceptible as deep striking (which is also an option without the teleporter) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 I just looked through the Codex, none of the HQ can be attached to a squad then. They are all Infantry (Character), that can not be right. Not seen anything in the rules that say the Dreadknight can arrive first turn! Where is that? Because if that's right, so can the Interceptors because the NDK Personal Teleporter uses the same rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That is their unit type, but the others have the Special Rule "Independent Character", which lets them join other units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt051 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I keep hearing (from blood angel forum) that in 7th ICs can be attached to single models without independent character, not sure if this is correct or not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292045-my-grey-knight-strike-force-040614-present/page/2/#findComment-3724589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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