boreas Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Ha! While trolling around different sites for answers on the "how many psychic powers per turn" question (I also sent a query to GW - By the way I still stand on my position even if I'd be happier to be wrong!), I found this little gem: In the "Death from the Skies" FAQ, the Psychic pilot Ace get "vortex of Doom" in addition to "banishment" as well as PML2. IIRC you pay 50pts for the ace, no? So with a bit of luck, 100pts (plus the cost from the SRs) nets you 4 Warp Charges and 2 flyers slinging St D Vortexes than can't hit them back? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Imagine putting down those puppies after moving 36" from reserve. Nice find, depends if it is worth the extra 100 points. E: Cost 3WC and automatic perils if you fail. While it's a nice idea in theory, you might lose your S/R on a 1. xD E2: After some thought and with the Vortex rule, it's quite tempting as a Turn 4/5 last resort if things aren't going your way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3710528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't remember what rolls of 1-2 or 3-4 on the Ace table do, though. Anyone with DftS? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3710543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Think one of the two is +1 BS, could be wrong. E: 3-4 is +1 BS, 1-2 is something regarding dogfights. Useless if your opponent is not running flyers or DftS. However +1 BS isn't something to grumble at but not quite worth 50 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3710545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 1-2 Mental Challenge: +2 Engaging Defenders in a Dogfight 3-4 Third Eye: +1BS 5-6 Psychic Pilot: Vortex of DOOOMMMM!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3710956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 So what is the deal with DftS? Is it allowed in tourneys etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3714147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Depends. Its a generally ignored supplement that adds nothing of value to the game, and was widely panned on release. No one cares about Flyers besides the terrible trio, the rest are garbage-tier with overpriced wargear and gimmick special rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3714329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Except if you go to GW 40k tournaments, it's a requirement to play... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3714350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 However is 50 points for either noyhing on a 1 - 2, +1 BS on a 3 -4 or level 2 ML with Vortex and Banishment seen as a good deal? It is generally ignored i agree but theres nothing against the rules to me taking it in any game. The dogfighting rules however have to be agreed upon which us why i have said 1-2 is nothing as nobody would Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3714390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Except if you go to GW 40k tournaments, it's a requirement to play... I thought GW dropped all support for tourneys? As I understand it each tournament can now make its own house rules and FAQ's (as Adepticon has been doing for years), along with their own restrictions. However is 50 points for either noyhing on a 1 - 2, +1 BS on a 3 -4 or level 2 ML with Vortex and Banishment seen as a good deal? It is generally ignored i agree but theres nothing against the rules to me taking it in any game. The dogfighting rules however have to be agreed upon which us why i have said 1-2 is nothing as nobody would Pretty much. DftS was a blatant attempt to entice spending on the new Flyer boxes. It failed miserably because A: most Flyers are garbage and B: a lot of the changes and additions the supplement introduced were mediocre or too obscure to matter in normal games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Even the events being held at Warhammer World this summer don't even mention DftS (Example Event Pack). To be honest, some of these supplements, especially DftS, remind me of the old Second Edition DnD Supplements; at some point they just started producing books for the sake of producing books. I mean come on, did we really need The Complete Book of Gnomes and Halflings? To me, Death from the Skies is the equivalent to that useless tome from a bygone age. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Did they change the (What was the name form last year?) Tome of Battle? (Link is blocked at work) Last year specifically stated you needed to use the latest rules printed for your units. Whcih makes DftS necessary for us, as it holds the lastest version of the Stormraven. (Ah second edition DnD. I've very recently got back into DnD through work. Been invited to some 3.5 games. :) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If an event requires you to pay for a supplement that references ONE unit in your codex, I'm pretty sure they're not worth attending. The Raven already has been FAQ'd, we don't need that silly expansion no one cares about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Well, this was the same GW event that stopped (IIRC) one of our forum members using thier army of bikers as a different Chapter, no counts-as. but then allowed someone else to counts-as a Contemptor as a normal Dread. Or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (Pathfinder is better, I'm a player and GM.) I like some if the supplements, DftS blows Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 50pts for a 33% chance at cast Vortex from Stormraven is worth trying a few times, see if its useful. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292073-shooting-vortex-of-doom-from-the-stormraven/#findComment-3715636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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