Baulder Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 So I was thinking about this the other day and wondered if others had consider it and what it could mean for us. The current rules state that a warlord should be chosen from the characters in your army. Therefore, this would suggest that a lone wolf is an acceptable choice as warlords. Now if we couple the lone wolf glorious death rule with objective cards and slay the warlord we seem to have an interesting situation. My understanding of this is that if he lives then you give up a vp for failing to die. But then if he dies you give up a vp for slay the warlord. However, there are a lot of objective cards which state that vp are given for destroying a unit, which is in direct contradiction to his glorious death rule, isn't it? So in these situations would the death of the lone wolf count as a destroyed unit? Also would his rule counter act the slay the warlord objective cards themselves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_Cennar Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 i might be wrong but your Warlord must be choosen from HQ models Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3711269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Nope the new rules just state that this must be a character. Unless you do not have any characters in your army then it can be any of the models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3711376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Now, let me be clear... Couldn't help myself! Leaving the rules aside, I don't feel it would fit the fluff-logic of Lone Wolves but that's down to personal taste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3711382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Indeed, let me also be clear. From a fluff perspective this is not to my taste either. However, from a fun perspective it could be interesting. There is also the possibility to build your own fluff around this, a lone wolf out to settle and old score. A small band of space wolves learn of his story and instead of consigning one man to his death they do the only honourable thing and stand by their brother, teeth bare in spite of the overwhelming odds before them ...... You can even take personal warlord traits to help solidify that this warlord is no battle master, but instead a master of battle. But back to the rules, I am wondering what peoples takes are on how lone wolves rules interact with the new objective cards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3711503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viddar Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think if a lone wolf was your warlord your opponent would gain points for objective cards and slay the warlord. I think the lone wolf ability really only is meant to work in purge the alien. But its a pretty murky situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Funny seeing this thread, I recently decided I fancied running an unbound all Lone wolf army, I was wondering this exact question. Looks like from reading this I will be just giving no points for the lonewolf himself as usual but slay the warlord still take effect. If the objective card if a points per unit kill then no points as that is what the lonewolf wants however if the lonewolf lives then they can have the point Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viddar Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Just got out of work and checked the FAQ. If a lone wolf is your warlord, he would give up slay the warlord or vps if your opponent completes a tactical objective card. A glorious death only works in missions in that award victory points for each unit that dies and refers to that condition not slay the warlord. So basically purge the alien is the only brb mission it effects right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Thing is some the new tactical objectives award victory points for destroying units. To me that would suggest the current glorious death rule extends to these missions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viddar Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 It states in the faq for missions in which each enemy unit completely destroyed awards a vp. There isn't a tactical objective that makes them all worth a point and since it refers to that vp I don't see any justification for not giving up slay the warlord or points for the cards that do give points for killpoints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 While I think that you're are most likely correct about this. It can be argued there is some grey area here but I've gone back to read it in more detail and am inclined to agree with you. Maelstrom of war missions: Aim - "achieve as many tactical objectives as possible" Example objective - "Overwhelming firepower: Score 1 VP if an enemy unit was completely destroyed during the shooting phase of your turn." With the prior knowledge that this and other similar tactical objective cards are available it can be inferred that all of the Maelstrom of war missions are in fact missions that award victory points for units that are completely destroyed. Lone Wolf FAQ: "Furthermore, in missions that award Victory Points for each enemy unit that has been completely destroyed, a Lone Wolf does not concede a Victor Point" As you can see it appears on the surface that the glorious death rule to cover these situations. However, the key word in the FAQ here is each. This wording suggests that a VP must be given for each and every unit before the rule is satisfied. In the future I think it will be interesting to see how this rule changes (if at all) to fit with the new set of missions available in the rule book. Indeed, we must remember that the Lone Wolf rules were create long before the tactical objective mission cards and as we've seen at this time the FAQ seems to be geared towards being a shoe horn for the armies with an older codex, rather than facilitating a completely smooth transition into the the 7ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3712945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Funny seeing this thread, I recently decided I fancied running an unbound all Lone wolf army, I was wondering this exact question. Looks like from reading this I will be just giving no points for the lonewolf himself as usual but slay the warlord still take effect. If the objective card if a points per unit kill then no points as that is what the lonewolf wants however if the lonewolf lives then they can have the point Lone wolf army would be fun to play, although lack any real firepower..the way i see it is that you wouldnt play them as 'lone wolves' so much as just use the lone wolves rules to play a harder breed of marine....20pts a marine aint bad at all for what your getting (2 wounds, fnp, beastslayer)... However, if you happened to get purge the alien, your pretty much stumped..as every model you have is going to award a victory point if it isnt dead by the end of the game (unless you table your opponent of course!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292115-lone-wolf-for-president/#findComment-3713259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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