Blackadder Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Dross into Gold: So what's Blackadder doing posting a painting thread; he doesn't know how to paint? Well I need a Space Marine army for my Thunderhawk and a Cadian army for my Tanks/Titans and Adeptus Mechanicus Priesthood Enclave again for the Titans so to show them off to their best so I decided to paint up some figures. Once again as with my Tyranids airbrushing foray I am totally at sea regarding painting so this learning experience for me will be of help to newly initiated into war gaming. I'm going to start with the Space Marines; my son with over 10 years in 40K Wargaming has progressed from a mere tyro to an accomplished painter/gamer but in the course of which has left behind literally hundreds of 'poor' to 'indifferently' finished figures so rather than plunk down beaucoup bucks for new squad kits I going to salvage the dross and turn it into gold (At least that is my intent and hope.) Below you see about a tenth of the derilict SM host I have to refurbish: http://i.imgur.com/bI6UGOp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bI6UGOpl.jpg These SM figures were in the scrap bitz box and number about 200 figures in varied states of completion and execution. First I divided them up into homogeneous groups: http://i.imgur.com/8S7FvTf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8S7FvTfl.jpg Again this is only a sampling of the number of figures I have to disassemble, clean, repair and paint. I employed my tried and true method of hammer and chisel to separate the figures from their bases and worried the arms, jet packs, what-have-you from the basic figures and scraped, carved, filed, and sanded the excess glue and thick paint from the figures.... http://i.imgur.com/RJD9wUw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RJD9wUwl.jpg Next post Please............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I'm expecting scratchbuilt bionics =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blissful Brushes Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I'm expecting scratchbuilt bionics =D Minimum. Ideally scratchbuilt heads. On a serious one though, your precision and innovation with the 'ole p'card could lead to some wonderfully unique chest plates and whatnot if you're taking the time to clean up derelict models, which as we should have all experienced (except for the rich 'nes) at one point or another, is a rather time consuming process. Frankly, if you manage to paint your PA figs to anything like the standard that you achieved with your nids you're onto a winner. Then it's simply a matter of practising lenses to make them work better. Power armour is very forgiving and striking with airbrushed zenithal highlighting, which is your basic airbrush highlighting. A marine army that's tied into your Mechanicum would be pretty cool, a mutual oath of brotherhood or something. Unofficial but one that has engendered a tradition of joint effort which could be reflected through advanced bionics and weapons etc. throughout your forces Whatever way you choose to take your project I look forward to your productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 looks promising blackadder, nice to see that you have found some time to finish your sons abandoned projects :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeaky Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Oooo blackadder, paint and some forgotten miniatures! This will be good ^-^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Thanks for the reply, Of course it's a judgement call, I'm not going to spend a lot of time cleaning and repairing garbage. Some of these figures only have a coat of prime and some are bare styrene. Most of the cleaning only requires paring off glued seams buildup. Pieces that are too far gone can be used as hors de combat in related scenery. There are quite a few metal figures as well. The theme I am adopting is a basic black and 'Death World Forest' green which suits my understated taste: http://i.imgur.com/lnrlqWn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lnrlqWnl.jpg and will go well with my proposed Thunderhawk and IG Cadians scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Dreadnoughts: There are only two complete Dreadnoughts that I can find; one metal and one plastic. I disassembled them as far as practical, filed the mating surfaces for a flush fit (especially the metal one that bore a resemblance more so to a piece of slag than a combat vessel.) I filed the hood lines to crisp up the corners and re-assembled with sparing drops of cyanoacrylate glue...... http://i.imgur.com/r1nFyxu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/r1nFyxul.jpg These lump-like constructions are the better for simplistic paint schemes because the highly ornate paint work tends to obliterate their already murky lines. The unfortunate Chaos model is missing exhaust pack and leg assemblies. http://i.imgur.com/9pwjGdu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9pwjGdul.jpg Dreadnoughts are not among my favorite 40K denizens being more refugees from 'Silent Running' so I'm going to use them for practicing paint schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Glued For the Ages: Okay before I go too far into this tutorial/ Learning experience I have to make a comment on model assembly. Now I know for a fact that these models were not built by my son because he got them from a friend. For the life of me I cannot fathom why anyone would glue together the entire model before painting; at least the hard to reach places. Paint it first then glue it together. And what gluing!!!!! I had to hammer seams, pry, Literally snap the model apart on two of the cycles to get the driver out of the seat! YA DON'T NEED THAT MUCH GLUE!!!!! Scrap a bit of the paint off were the pieces join and put on a small drop of glue. http://i.imgur.com/Mk5QSEy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Mk5QSEyl.jpg That way as your skills improve you can disassemble the model with ease and upgrade your work. Now nothing I did was irreparable because I've had a lot of practice. Chances are that no one will see the dissection seams but wouldn't it be easier to use a bit of discretion when gluing ???? http://i.imgur.com/XYqVJtF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XYqVJtFl.jpg Now that I've got that off my chest I can proceed with the painting. http://i.imgur.com/1aLop09.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1aLop09l.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Chaos Dreadnought: The snows fall'n and I've got a bit of a cold so I'm looking around for something simple to do and came upon these Dreadnoughts I started to refurbish last Summer. One SM plastic Dreadnought pretty much done but needs some embellishment on the top, the trouble is I have no idea what goes with it and I can't find it on google. Then I have a Metal SM Dreadnought that's also complete except for a broken left arm. Then we have the problem of the Chaos Dreadnought that has two right arms, no left CC weapon missing one foot and the exhaust manifold piece. http://i.imgur.com/q4GId6N.jpg http://i.imgur.com/q4GId6Nl.jpg That's where I shall start today; making those missing pieces. We'll start with the foot.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrautScientist Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I do have a leftover CC weapon for that chaos dread that I am not going to use (the design's just pretty much incompatible with newer stuff), so if you want it, it's yours. That's not to dissuade you from building your own, excellent weapon, of course ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrautScientist Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Whoops, double post, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Thanks for the reply(s) :D I found the plastic Dreadnought on google; it came from a SM starter set. http://usagi3.free.fr/IMG/jpg/New_Starter_Set_023.jpg Dude These Things Are Expensive! Hell I had no idea how expensive these hideous lumps of metal are. The three I'm playing with cost about a hundred bucks! So they're well worth repairing/refurbishing The plastic foot which I've been scratching on and off today is coming out pretty good http://i.imgur.com/BKDOkwr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BKDOkwrl.jpg I have to be careful to not make it too perfect otherwise it will make the metal one look too shoddy. :D Seriously there is very little consistency of measurement regarding thickness or spacing of the toes and very few of the angles approach 90° square. it only takes a degree or two on something this small to make it appear haphazardly made. http://i.imgur.com/gxkjWRh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gxkjWRhl.jpg I purposely made the toes slightly thicker than they are suppose to be so I can file them to shape when the foot is fully assembled. http://i.imgur.com/EZFL0aR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EZFL0aRl.jpg Thanks for the offer I may take you up on it considering how expensive these things are........... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Here's a question; I just went on ebay and SM Dreadnoughts are going for $35 bucks a pop regardless of condition and Chaos Dreads and going for ten to twenty bucks cheaper; what's the reason for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsavant Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nobody liked the ol' Chaos dreads even back then, and metal is far harder to work with for conversions. Numerous DV Hellbrutes still flood the market, and they're even cheaper. As for those prices, where are you looking ? Average UK lot is about £15 for a plastic SM, and I've lost count of metal SM/CSM dreads going for £5/6 (inc p&p) purely because they're caked in paint, easily solved with a Dettol bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrautScientist Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for the offer I may take you up on it considering how expensive these things are........... Well, just give me a holler -- those bitz aren't going anywhere ;) I have the claw-like CC weapon, the autcannon (?) for the right arm you seem to have multiples of, and the trophy pole that goes on the Dread's back, all unpainted and in pretty good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 50 Pieces of Plastic: That's my rough estimate of the number of pieces contained in this foot. Many of them much smaller than an ant, it only goes to show what can be done if you set your mind to it. http://i.imgur.com/qSFF6VS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qSFF6VSl.jpg Now the real kick in the slats is if you go on ebay you can buy the whole Dreadnought for about $15 bucks including shipping. So you're working for how much of an hourly rate Blackadder???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Wow ... That's an amazing scratch built foot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks, Cold Remedy: Are plastic fumes good for a cold? How 'bout toxic metals, whatever these Dreads are made of Anyway the foot fits real good and my trio is shaping up. http://i.imgur.com/y7MmJfL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/y7MmJfLl.jpg Not bad for a pile of scrap they cleaned up pretty good. The rear exhaust is coming along as well I think I made the holes too big but perhaps the paint will close them up a tad http://i.imgur.com/tKTUNhk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tKTUNhkl.jpg These things are a lot of work for being as tiny as they are. I'm use to vehicles that are measured in feet not inches. http://i.imgur.com/GbHFXrK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GbHFXrKl.jpg But they'll look good on the display diorama if for nothing else a scale reference. http://i.imgur.com/ytE5xYf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ytE5xYfl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well Good Enough: I had to fudge quite a bit of the exhaust stacks but it's a fair facsimile of a Chaos Helbrute Dreadnought exhaust. http://i.imgur.com/uilgoWJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uilgoWJl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BJq2vX5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BJq2vX5l.jpg Yeah I know 'Good enough' is not in my vocabulary but sometimes it is........ :D Ya gotta draw the line somewhere.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Little Dude: I suppose it's a lot of work for something that is relatively valueless but it makes me feel good to make this little dude look as good as he can. So with a coat of primer and a coat of flat black he's ready for the gilt. http://i.imgur.com/8qJFqYY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8qJFqYYl.jpg Now a Question for Chaos aficionados, is it correct to have a Dread painted with the same colour scheme as a Chaos Warhound? http://i.imgur.com/c2PXtCu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/c2PXtCul.jpg I mean there is no Adeptus Mechanicus for Chaos is there? http://i.imgur.com/20UesYU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/20UesYUl.jpg So what would a proper colour scheme be if not the rotted green and rusty steel of my Warhound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 There's the Dark Mechanicum - the turncoat section of the regular Mechanicus who sided with Horus. Also here is a fairly comprehensive list of the traitor Titan Legions. I can't see why a Chaos Dread can't have a similar colour scheme to a Titan Seriously impressed with the scratch built Chaos Dread foot. But then I follow your Thunderhawk topic and I know what you're capable of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent aquila Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 i like how your salvaging your sons' models, I'd never let any of mine out of my sight no matter how old they get!!! your build work is quite good, as far as recreating pieces, the hands of a well practiced modeling machine I'm sure. I'm curious about your larger constructs, do you have them here on the B&C? I like building big as well, although not strictly warhammer related... Do ya mind pointing me in the direction of your other works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 i like how your salvaging your sons' models, I'd never let any of mine out of my sight no matter how old they get!!! your build work is quite good, as far as recreating pieces, the hands of a well practiced modeling machine I'm sure. I'm curious about your larger constructs, do you have them here on the B&C? I like building big as well, although not strictly warhammer related... Do ya mind pointing me in the direction of your other works? On behalf of Blackadder: Thunderhawk Alternative to Baneblade Warmonger Titan Marauder Destroyer kit Warlord Lucius Pattern Warhound Baneblade refurb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent aquila Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 ooh that'll keep me busy, thank ya much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Egad; did I do that? BTW thanks Aquilanus Chaos Dread' Boneyard: Well the last two of the Dreadnought squad has been cleaned, quite exhausting as the painting was thickly brush applied oil based gloss enamel that completely obscured the detail. I soaked everything in 'Simple Green for two weeks and wire brushed off as most I could then I boiled the remainder until softened and scrapped off the residue. The result came out pretty clean. We see the result here with the four previously primed and base-coated flat black cadre looking on. http://i.imgur.com/7QGHaI8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QGHaI8l.jpg Once all are is a similar state I can commence the painting proper. http://i.imgur.com/Xsyg4f2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Xsyg4f2l.jpg This was an arduous task for a bunch of worthless metal.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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