Valkyrion Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Lieutenant Narvaez has Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines. He also grants D3 units the ability to deep strike by teleportation. Could he therefore deep strike devastators, then declare he is using the Devastator trait, allowing them to fire at full effect, or does he have to declare the trait before rolling for reserves? Both rules begin with a variation of 'at the start of your turn'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyocum Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Page 124 in the 6th ed rulebook, 5th paragraph ends with "The player can then proceed to move his other units as normal." My personal interpretation of that is that you'd make the doctrine declaration, then do your deep strikes and reserves, then any units that were on the table at the end of your opponent's just-finished turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 "He" doesn't declare that "he's" using the Devastator trait. You declare that your army is using it at the start of your turn. At the start of your turn is also the time you roll for reserves. So you could roll for reserves then, provided the units will arrive, declare that you're using the trait. However, the units don't actually deploy until the start of the movement phase (and must arrive before any other units move). So mishaps and scatter may interfere with your plan. When simultaneous events occur it is the player whose turn it is that gets to decide in which order those events are resolved. (paraphrased from page 17) - - - - - Johnyocum - bear in mind that the 6th edition rulebook has no bearing on any rules discussion any more - it is defunct and wordings/entire rules have changed now that 7th edition has arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 When simultaneous events occur it is the player whose turn it is that gets to decide in which order those events are resolved. (paraphrased from page 17) I'd forgotten that bit, so I'm golden then. There are ways to get 2+ reserves plus no scatter so that 110 point multi melta squad can melt things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Indeed, good luck with your (surely xenos) melting endeavours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 its not even a issue of simultaneous events. the ultra tactic says ALL models in the detachment gain X so all model gain X. regardless of when the devs show up they are part of the ultra detachment so they have the special rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 its not even a issue of simultaneous events. the ultra tactic says ALL models in the detachment gain X so all model gain X. regardless of when the devs show up they are part of the ultra detachment so they have the special rule. Yes, but you'd rather not waste a one-shot (or rather one turn) rule on something that doesn't show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 ok, well then it is a beginning of a turn issue that since its your turn you decide.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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