Grand Master Iapetus Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 So processing all the changes 7th has brought to our beloved GKs and weighing the value of Purifiers, had a rules interpretation question: On p27 Nova Powers are defined as: automatically targeting and hitting all enemy units (including Flyers and FMCs) within the power's max range. The new FAQ gives the Purifiers Cleansing Flame which is defined on p194 as Nova 9", S5, AP4, Assault 2D6. My question is how is the Assault 2D6 is resolved - should this be interpreted as rolling a separate 2D6 for EACH unit within the 9", or 2D6 spread across all units within 9" ? Said another way: if I plop these guys down within 9" of 4 enemy units, do I get a 2D6 roll for each unit ? Plus Soul Blaze. Plus Ignores Cover. If that's the case, that's seems pretty darn good...kind of an Uber-Holocaust of a different flavor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah you resolve the profile on each unit hit. So, lets say your Cleansing Flame catches a 5-man squad, a lone model, and a 20-man unit. On each unit hit, you roll 2D6 seperately and resolve wounds seperately for each unit. Soul Blaze is the least powerful thing 'Cleansing Flame' does, its completely irrelevant. It's utterly absurd if you can catch multiple units under the 9" AOE. Even more insane, is when you combat squad a unit of Purifiers and double cast. It will eat up a lot of warp charges, but man its hilarious if you get it going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Take a couple of GKGM, an Inquisitor with the Liber, and a boat load of Purifiers (Combat Squadded) in Rhinos? Scout 3-7 Rhino's worth, then advance first turn, disembark and Nova? Then Pew Pew / Chop Chop whatever remains. Any other way to impart Scout? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Why disembark, that just makes you vulnerable to being shot? I mentioned this in another thread (and hadn't even thought about Scout!), but...imagine this scenario: Grand Master grants Scout to 3 squads of Purifiers. Purifiers 'combat squad' and are mounted in three Rhinos Rhinos Scout forward, then move forward in Movement phase as close to enemy lines as possible (Outflank, if necessary). Each of the 6 combat squads casts Cleansing Flame nova bursts in Psychic Phase. Each of the 6 combat squads shoots a Psycannon from the Rhino's fire points in the Shooting phase. Rinse and repeat until Rhino destroyed. Forced disembarkation in enemy's shooting phase or assault phase (depending on which phase they destroyed your Rhino). In your turn, Move, cast more Cleansing Flame as well as Hammerhand, Shoot with all weapons, charge anything left alive and sweep up with S6, I6 Halberds Grins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I was only disembarking to be able to shoot MOAR psycannons. ;) But keeping costs down is awesome. We're looking at; Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Daemonhammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Per Squad. For three that's 966. Then add in a GKGM (you want 2 to be sure. If you get 3 with your first roll, you can use the second for a different buff) and an Inquisitor in TDA/Psycannon with Liber. Total: 1411 Not bad at all. Squeeze in a 4th Purifier Combat Squad for Total: 1,733 ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Well, that's about 11 Warp charges (plus d6)... Hardly enough to make all Cleansing flames. You need a few Henchmen Psykers :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 4 Puri's Combat Squadded, plus 4 Psychic Rhinos for 12. ;) I guess you could also upgrade the Inquisitor. But those 25 points could be spent on a Psyker and 2 Warriors (18). Take extra 25 point Inq to unlock more 18 point Warp Charges. Unbound; HQ: GKGM (175) HQ: GKGM (175) HQ: OM Inquisitor, Liber (40) HQ: Inquisitor (25) HQ: Inquisitor (25) HQ: Inquisitor (25) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Total: 1,825 Or something like this. That's 16 Warp Charges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3713815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hey guys, something I'm not quite sure on is friendly fire. Can a nova also inflict damage on your guys if they are within range? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Nova only target (and hit) enemy units in Range. This would cover non Battle Brother Allies you might be using though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Eh? Assault 2D6 would mean you roll 2D6 and the result would be the amount of times the Nova is fired, right? e.g. If I roll an 8, it fires 8 times. I one unit is in range, that unit takes 8 hits, if three units are in range they each take 8 hits,2 hits and two units take a further 1 hit, and so on. Correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Why thank you gentlemanloser. Don't know how I missed that :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'm under the impression that you see how many hits are scored individually. not sure in I'm correct though lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 A Nova is a shooting attack that targets each unit in Range. It uses its profile as a shooting weapon on each target. Therefore each unit in the AoE is hit 2d6 times. It also hits enemy units locked in CC. God damn Cleansing Flame is pure win now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yeah its utterly insane if you get deep into a big blob of the enemy. WC2 is a pain to get going though, you'll typically throw 4+ dice at it hoping to not only pass but force your opponent to waste a lot of dispel dice on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 So getting purifiers to the party seems to be the main issue i can see. I am considering a 10 man squad combatted in a raven. The raven will be the fighter ace from another topic on here. is there a way we can use a drop pod however as that would be easily the best option! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 You may have noticed that Drop Pods are not in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3714551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 If you have 2 combat squads in a Rhino, does each "squad" get the fire 2 weapons from the fire point? Or is it only 2 weapons in toto may fire regardless of the number of units embarked? Rhinos are odd in that they can have multiple units embarked and its fire point allows an embarked unit to fire upto 2 weapons from its fire point. If each "unit" can fire, that's 4 Psycannons. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3715065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 @Valerian Thanks. Obviously i meant as allies. @Jeffersonian000 I would say two weapons though it requires a faq as both are valid arguments Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3715073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Units cannot embark other units dedicated transorts before deployment, and as drop pods can only be deployed out of reserves it would be nigh impossible. Having said that though, what are the rules for dreadclaw drop pods, or lucious drops pods or some such, I'll have to check when I get home. [edit] Interesting point Jeffersonian. I dont have the BRB on me but I must inquire more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3715293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 If you have 2 combat squads in a Rhino, does each "squad" get the fire 2 weapons from the fire point? Or is it only 2 weapons in toto may fire regardless of the number of units embarked? Rhinos are odd in that they can have multiple units embarked and its fire point allows an embarked unit to fire upto 2 weapons from its fire point. If each "unit" can fire, that's 4 Psycannons. SJ Before I include this issue in a new batch of FAQ requests to the Rules Team, does anybody have their Rulebook to hand to see if this issue of combat squads in a Transport is already addressed? Mine's not with me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3717872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I see Purifiers as the go to unit in place of Strikes and Purgation where possible. The Purifiers do everything these units do and more, though at a reasonable price increase. Purifiers out perform Purgation squads too, so long as your looking to take 10 of them. Unless you want a little 5 man unit with 4 Psycannons, don't bother with them and take Purifiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3717896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I think two units of purifiers or just one splited in two is enough... i played with this army lately HQ. Crowe Librarian Troops 5x purifiers with 2 psycannon on Rhino 5x purifiers with 2 psycannon on Rhino Terminators with incinerator 3x Dreadknights w incinerator and two teleporters. Having a lot of WP dices, and 3 units with Cleansing Flame, was very difficult to cast the spell. You must trhow at least 4D6 for being succesfull, so, that's make a lack of WP dices if you want to cast sanctuary on rhinos, or hammer hand with the rest of units. (considering the deny the witch rolls of the opponent) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3717944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I want to burn a Have Crone out of the sky with Cleansing Flame so bad. This also appears to hit Invisible units which is nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3717957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 4 Puri's Combat Squadded, plus 4 Psychic Rhinos for 12. I guess you could also upgrade the Inquisitor. But those 25 points could be spent on a Psyker and 2 Warriors (18). Take extra 25 point Inq to unlock more 18 point Warp Charges. Unbound; HQ: GKGM (175) HQ: GKGM (175) HQ: OM Inquisitor, Liber (40) HQ: Inquisitor (25) HQ: Inquisitor (25) HQ: Inquisitor (25) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Purifier x10, Psycannon x2, Hammer x2, Halberd x6, Rhino (322) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Elite: Warrior x2, Psyker (18) Total: 1,825 Or something like this. That's 16 Warp Charges. What exactly are the 25pt inquisitors doing in this list? They're not psykers unless you upgrade them, and I'm not even sure you need inquisitors to unlock henchman in an unbound list. I could be wrong about that though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3718818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 He is counting the purifiers for combat squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292231-purifierscleansing-flamenova/#findComment-3718930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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