Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Reading a Tactica post on dealing with high AV (I still see stripping Hull Points as th best way to deal with vehicles), it struck me. The change to the Vehicle Damage Table to reduce the chance of one hit killing Vehicles hasn't made the high strength / high AP weapons more attractive. It's *harder* for these weapons to do what they do best. And go for the one hit kill, over torrenting down Hull Points. What it has done is made a high rate of fire, medium to high strength weapon, that is capable of glancing/penetrating AV14 basically the best thing going. And we have the best gun to fit that description. And can field it in spades! Sure Lascannons are great at *maybe* one hit killing a LR. But they ain't too hot when you're trying to pop a Rhino. As it's now *harder* for them to do that. Whereas a Psycannon still has the potential to one hit kill a Land Raider. It also has the potential to Torrent a Land Raider through Glances. And it's ability to torrent a Rhino to death hasn't been reduced at all. The humble Psycannon. The absolute best Imperial Gun in the game? Apart from ignoring Cover, is there anything this gun can't excel at? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The Psycannon as far as I understand it is an Assault Cannon with +1S? If so, like the Assault Cannon, it's an all-rounder capable of dealing with almost anything fairly effectively, but more so due to its +1S. Decent against MCs, light vehicles, cheap hordes, heavy infantry and even capable of putting a hole in a Tank if you're lucky. Unless you're fielding these en masse, though, I can't see them dealing with a Land Raider very quickly. Remember that Rending doesn't give AP2 when rolling to Penetrate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Can't kill Terminators is the other problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Rending can, but not too reliably... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 And Plasma Guns can't kill Land Raiders. Psycannons can kill *everything*. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 Unbound, Psycannon Spam (for the Lulz) 10 x Purgation Squad, Psycannon x4 (180) Total: 1,800 50 Grey Knights, 40 Psycannons. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 10 Grey Knights multiplied by 10 is 100 Grey Knights with 40 Psycannons, surely? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ania Redfang Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 5 Grey Knights per squad. Cheers. Also Psycannons can't one hit a Land Raider because they aren't AP2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 No, psycannons can no longer one-shot LRs. Correct me if I am wrong, only 7+ on the table is an explode. unless they changed Rending to make it AP2 even for armor penetration, the best you can get is a 6 on the chart, which is now Immobilized (I believe) That being said, yes, outside of a melta inside half range, psycannons are the best weapon in the game to actually penetrate LR armor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Lance and Armourbane weaponry beats it. Especially since they're normally AP2 as standard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Fair enough, then it's the best Imperial weapon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Vanquisher Cannon though, or Demolisher. But Infantry weapon? Best all rounder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3713907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yea, I've come to a similar conclusion to Gentlemanloser: any single-shot low AP weapon really isn't worth much of anything (particularly the Lascannon, which wasn't very good before and is even worse now). To me it's either Melta or go for the HP's, at which point the Psyfleman looks like the best AT in our codex.I would like to think that the Psycannon is the best gun, but mine NEVER Rend. I know it's really just my bad luck and not an indicator of the gun, but in all my time spamming Purifiers with Psycannons (and even occasionally using the Faux-Psycannon on our Razorbacks/Psyravens) I've never gotten much use out of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3714711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarSpirit Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Oh i feel you brother, I'm also quite unlucky with my dice rolls. I would not say that the psycannon IS THE BEST gun in the game, but like coffegrunt said surely the best all rounder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3715132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 No, psycannons can no longer one-shot LRs. Correct me if I am wrong, only 7+ on the table is an explode. unless they changed Rending to make it AP2 even for armor penetration, the best you can get is a 6 on the chart, which is now Immobilized (I believe) That's all correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 No, psycannons can no longer one-shot LRs. Correct me if I am wrong, only 7+ on the table is an explode. unless they changed Rending to make it AP2 even for armor penetration, the best you can get is a 6 on the chart, which is now Immobilized (I believe)That's all correct.Well, 4 hits, 4 rends, 4 HP stripped = 1 dead Land Raider. Pretty low possibility, but it can happen. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 If you're able to get Tank Hunters and put a bunch of them in a squad, it could really wreck face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 So attach Logan Grimnar to a purifier or pergation squad, or even a full paladin squad (combat squad the psycannons into one unit) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 If he confers Tank Hunters, then that unit would be pretty darn scary. That said, you are forced by Fluff Law to have them fight each other as soon as the enemy is killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yup, one of his High King rules is giving Tank Hunters to the unit he's attached to. Not sure if he's been FAQed to only work with Space Wolf Faction. Can't access the FAQ at work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 He gives a couple of different rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Preferred Enemy, Relentless and Fearless as well as Tank Hunter. IIRC. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Not bad at all, though Relentless and Fearless may be a bit moot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Something like that, tho I don't remember relentless as one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Once it was clarified it could be used before Reserves, I used to put Logan in a Drop Pod with 4 MM Devs. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292254-psycannons-great-imperial-gun-now-the-best/#findComment-3716635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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