Darktemplar10 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Hey , just was wondering what mastery level this guy is. We're assuming it's level 1 but are not too sure. Seems like it should be higher. I may be mistaken. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 lvl 2 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3715244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 It's in the FAQ dude, He's Mastery 2, and he rolls for his powers on Sanctic, Divination, Telepathy and Telekinesis Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3715489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Does he get that template power or only ones he rolls? Thank you ~BT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3715715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Everyone lost the powers they had in the codex. Read the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3715798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Grey_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3715800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktemplar10 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 I seen that on the FAQ but must have missed the level 2 mastery part... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktemplar10 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 I must be missing something obvious where does it say they are level 2. The part about inquisitors say they may upgrade to level 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I think that got lost in the FAQ update. Newer editions of the codex should list him as Mastery Level 2 within the codex itself,though. It does in mine, which I picked up new after 6th edition hit and I started my Allied detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 It's in his codex entry on page 39. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 He's definitely level 2 , says so in his descriptionand and the faq :-P Now who agrees with me that he should get an ap2 weapon? Because he's only a CC tank. He should really be a CC monster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 He is. having a force sword with the daemonbane rule that grant S10 against psykers is about as good as it gets without being a monstrous creature. Giving every model that's good in CC an AP2 weapons is just going to devalue how rare they are and lower the effectiveness of terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 He is. having a force sword with the daemonbane rule that grant S10 against psykers is about as good as it gets without being a monstrous creature. Giving every model that's good in CC an AP2 weapons is just going to devalue how rare they are and lower the effectiveness of terminators. agreed that the strength 10 is good. But it's a very specific power that is useless most of the time, and it's only ap3, meaning it's pretty much useless for a majority of enemy HQs, because most main characters+bodyguards have Terminator armour. When you Consider how potent daemon weaponry is (because his sword was made from a daemons heart) it should rival abandons sword or something. I'd happily trade of an occasional strength 10 for ap2 that can be more reliably boosted to strength 7 with hammerhand ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berle Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Remember that most MC demons dont have 2+ save so he pretty much murder any Greater Demon in close combat. Like he was made to do ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 If he did have an AP2 weapon I believe it should be unwieldy but that would cause another problem of not utilizing his high initiative and despite having a 3++ he would easily fall prey to MEq. AP3 is not the end of the world, far from it. A daemonhammer with strength 10 and AP2 would actually undervalue the extra rule against psykers as he is always going to be striking at S10 with one. I like his AP3-ness It means he's good against almost everything, but isn't against specifically vehicles. I didn't know his titansword was made from a daemons heart. But daemonswords in our own codex are not AP2. The Emperors Champion (Black Templar) and the Deathwing Knight Sergeant are the only examples I can think of with AP2 weapons that strike at initiative. (There's centurions too, if you swing that way). The Champ doesn't increase the strength of the wielder unless it's unwieldy and 2 handed, then the DA DW Knight's mace (or flail, or something) is a once only use. Having a sword that can be S10 and at initiative with Draigo's WS means he will ID almost anything. They need some sort of defence against such a potentially lethal weapon. I almost feel sorry for the daemons, almost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (because his sword was made from a daemons heart) Where does it say this about the Titansword? Edit, page 39. Draigo used the remains of M'Kar's molten great axe to reforge his shattered sword. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Lets also highlight. Draigo refored it himself. With his bare hands! In the Warp, with no forges or tools available. Just his pure Psychic Might. Hell, he should be able to punch through 2+ Armour with his bare hands! All hail Draigo!! There's centurions too, if you swing that way Pnar Pnar! /finbar saunders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 How soon we forget that Power Weapons use to all be AP2, back when Power Weapons ignored armor saves. And since Draigo predates AP on CCWs, he got nerfed big time when 6th assigned an AP3 to the Titansword. It's not wishful thinking that GW changes it to AP2, it's the fan base pointing out that GW made a grave error in assigning an AP3 to what was once an AP2 weapon. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 How soon we forget that Power Weapons use to all be AP2, back when Power Weapons ignored armor saves. And since Draigo predates AP on CCWs, he got nerfed big time when 6th assigned an AP3 to the Titansword. It's not wishful thinking that GW changes it to AP2, it's the fan base pointing out that GW made a grave error in assigning an AP3 to what was once an AP2 weapon. SJ By that logic all weapons would be AP2 and nothing would have changed. An AP2 weapon at initiative is extremely rare since they changed the rules. Saying they were different is just reminiscing of a bygone era. At least he keeps his attacks at initiative. Dante can't eve swing an axe as good as he once did. I'm sure there's an OAP joke in there somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3716760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktemplar10 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Thanks brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3717308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakbal Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Dante can't eve swing an axe as good as he once did. I'm sure there's an OAP joke in there somewhere. We complain about this all of the time over in the BA forum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3717802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 We complain about this all of the time over in the BA forum Eh, at least he still delivers that melta command squad with pinpoint precision ;) can't complain too much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3719315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 After reading the 7th faq, draigo has actually been nerfed. HE NO LONGER HAS A NEMISIS FORCE SWORD. he has a regular force sword with the mastercrafted and daemonbane rules. Therefore he no longer gets a 2++ in combat because he no longer has a nemesis weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3721218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt051 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 He never had a nemesis force sword, the codex itself states it's a force sword with those special traits, the faq just standardizes it like every other power weapon post 6th Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3721229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The Nemesis Force Wespon ability of group activation is now the standard Force ability to activate as a group, which means Draigo activates at the same time everyone else does now. That's about the only change. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292314-draigo-question/#findComment-3721291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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