tdemayo Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Regarding Rogal Dorn's home world of Inwit: is its culture supposed to resemble that of the Inuit (aka Eskimos)? The name is quite similar, there's lots of ice, and Inwit is mentioned as having a rugged base of a tribal culture, despite its high tech elements. Plus, there's the whole scrimshaw thing the Imperial Fists do. Considering painting some fists, and encorporating elements of Inuit art and pattern. Some designs might look striking on pauldrons, flags, and boarding shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I've never heard of that connection, actually. The scrimshaw thing is pretty compelling, but I always attributed that to something like what sailors do. Never thought about native inuit. Interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Inwit is the space Baltic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromancer Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Maybe a praetor pulled by a dog sled! You might anger the VI though. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Would be quite cool to do imo, I love the Imperial Fists but I've been kind of put out by the templar influence on the legion, so anything that's different to that would be awesome. I've read that the Imperial Fists are in general made up of many cultures (such as the guys with the tattoos found just outside the solar system in the "calm zone"). This imo doesn't translate as much in the general appearance and heraldry, apart from the twin axes of Rann, it comes across as dominated by the templar cross (the very emblem is the default veteran icon now it seems) So to see more cultural influences put into practice would be a breath of fresh air, however I'm not sure how the inuit culture could be portrayed, would have to do some research on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 The Carcharadons make a subtle use of Polynesian (?) designs on their armor as lighter patterns on the darker grey. I was thinking of doing something similar on the Fists, if my freehand skills are capable of it. Maybe a subtle embossing on the yellow, or perhaps a pattern on the black of the secondary areas... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffTibbetts Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The Carcharadons make a subtle use of Polynesian (?) designs on their armor as lighter patterns on the darker grey. I was thinking of doing something similar on the Fists, if my freehand skills are capable of it. Maybe a subtle embossing on the yellow, or perhaps a pattern on the black of the secondary areas... Yes. I've seen some really cool Raven Guard HH-era stuff that was based on the company which would go on to become the Charcharadons. Very, very subtle gray patterns on the banner. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think I've seen some of that in the ForgeWorld books as well. I don't own them so I can't say for sure, though. I think if you go that route, you should keep it pretty dang subtle. Fists first, inuit second. Not until the 2nd founding did those differences really become pronounced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 A few touches of totemic artwork would do the trick. Perhaps some seal or bear fur here or there. http://www.bobpattersonart.com/sitebuilder/images/Wearable_Totem_Soul_Otter-244x243.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3715974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I noticed the splayed wings seemed prolific in Inuit artwork, so perhaps that could be the company badge, it's a lot simpler than full blown owl. Or perhaps a Salmon http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/SuperiorChrome/198304987_c4dcf078c1.jpg http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/SuperiorChrome/na-tt-t38.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Living in Alaska, I see an inordinate amount of totemic art, lol. I even have a custom piece of a fox on my wall. Salmon, bear, and ravens are huge parts of the Inuit native's culture, so you'll see them the most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I noticed the splayed wings seemed prolific in Inuit artwork, so perhaps that could be the company badge, it's a lot simpler than full blown owl. Or perhaps a Salmon http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/SuperiorChrome/198304987_c4dcf078c1.jpg http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk220/SuperiorChrome/na-tt-t38.jpg The Salmon wispers something, but Everytime I listen, it sounds different ;p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Do a crow!!! Game of thrones! Like a badass black armored space wolf! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Regarding Rogal Dorn's home world of Inwit: is its culture supposed to resemble that of the Inuit (aka Eskimos)? It's an icy world but I don't think it Inwit tribes resemble Inuit tribes that much. They're much more aggressive and warlike, probably in part because they have much higher tech. Inuit tribes are primarily concerned with survival in their cold environment. Inwit tribes are much more advanced and thus they're not reduced to a subsistence level of living. Consequently, they have the spare time to war with each other. I suppose you could think of them as warlike Inuits with better tech...but then they're not really Inuits are they? They're more like Scottish highland clans (constant rivalry) on an ice world and equipped with sci-fi tech Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'm glad this came up. My first reaction to reading the planet name Inwit immediately made me think of the Inuit... That being said I have little to no knowledge of anything related to Inuit other than the name. I'll have to investigate the visual styles that correlate and see if they are applicable to some models. I'm kind of in the same boat as WoT as I'm so-so on the Templar motif. Hopefully this will provide an additional "theme" to incorporate in a subtle manner. Given the variety of Imperial Fists' recruiting worlds and locales, I think it is easily justifiable to add any small visual markings to represent various homeworlds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I suppose one other way of showing different clans/families/tribes would be the varying cultures that have mixed/matched in the Legion - so perhaps having some showing the Inuit heritage, others (and Fafnir Rann's makes this much simpler) the Scots Highland heritage (Tartan, some bright greens & blues alongside darker greys and browns) - perhaps some with the more Germanic elements consistent with the Templars and possibly some Native North-American elements (not too many mind as I feel it could be stepping on the toes of the DAs). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
no I'm alpharius Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 It came up in the alternative primarch thread. I loved the idea of totemic art heathens suggested. I think it would work well on a tabletop army. I can see the designs posted on a dreadnought's leg, or as a personal banner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 While later writers have played up the Inuit interpretation, 'inwit' is also a Middle English word meaning 'conscience' (literally, the knowledge of what is within you); which fits beautifully with Rogal Dorn's character. This interpretation makes a bit more sense alongside the teutonic/knightly themes of the Fists. That said, using the Inuit interpretation alongside (or instead of) the more familiar modern Teutonic approach is a great way to add something a bit different; and the background (as in The Crimson Fist, for example) supports Inwit as an ice world where an Inuit style would be fun and thematic :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'd assumed Inwit were loosely based on Inuit culture or at least an aggressive version of it. Whilst GW fluff can be rich and diverse, I find the obvious answer as to its root is usually the right one :) Edit - I should have picked up on the Middle English 'inwyt' though [blush] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'm really not making the connection. There's relatively no trace of the Inuit without stripping things down to the very bare components of that culture. Which you can do with every Legion and real world influence. That's not to say incorporating elements of the Inuit is wrong, just not seeing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 While later writers have played up the Inuit interpretation, 'inwit' is also a Middle English word meaning 'conscience' (literally, the knowledge of what is within you); which fits beautifully with Rogal Dorn's character. This interpretation makes a bit more sense alongside the teutonic/knightly themes of the Fists. That said, using the Inuit interpretation alongside (or instead of) the more familiar modern Teutonic approach is a great way to add something a bit different; and the background (as in The Crimson Fist, for example) supports Inwit as an ice world where an Inuit style would be fun and thematic :) I like that interpretation a lot. Wow, I could hug you right now - that is some great insight. I had no idea about the Middle English inwit and I like that a great deal. Great post sir. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3716900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Just dont go too Teutonic.... it is kind of... well chaosy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3717309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Regarding the Teutonic influences - I find it quite odd that a LOT of their background is teutonic (hence medieval era Germanic) and yet we have the Templars who were in effect a mixed back of French, English, German and Middle Eastern (to an extent) knights... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3717329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Nameless Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Just dont go too Teutonic.... it is kind of... well chaosy Have you seen the film Alexander Nevsky? Some of the leaders of the Teutonic knights have helmets that look almost exactly like the khorne berserk helms. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9nqpUksh7yA/S8OR95_SjmI/AAAAAAAAACQ/JGsnZJjkyIU/s1600/nevsky+knight.jpeg This was the best picture I found so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3717344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 On Teutonic helmets, it's not certain whether they were for campaign wear or reserved for tournaments and the like. Interestingly, the colour scheme chosen by GW is that of the hospitallers rather than the Templars, which works well as the latter were more active in the Nordic/Baltic area than the Templars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292334-inwit-and-the-inuit/#findComment-3717473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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