Ravenwing black knights vs marine command squads

[Axagoras]

I was in a discussion with some other and this came up, the fact that a squad of ravenwing black knights cost the exact same as a command squad on bikes with 5 grav guns. The difference is they can be taken in larger squads, have a amazing ccw weapon and dont need a 150 point character to scout. If you just compare the ravenwing command squad then they both cap at 5 men each but you save 10 points. And although a apothecary is 30 points he still keeps a plasma talon which i feel is worth the extra 15. So the question is. Instead of taking a white scars command squad would you now ally in a ravenwing black knight squad or command squad into your army?

[Iron Father Ferrum]

When in doubt, take both?

[Disruptor_fe404]

Unless I really want a squad of grav guns (unlikely, given that you can already get two in a regular bike squad), I would pick the Black Knight allies pretty much every time; Stubborn, Hit & Run, Scout, Skilled Riders, combined with their plasma talons, corvus hammers AND boltpistols, rad & stasis grenades if you take six models... And teleport homers if you use terminators!

 

That being said, I don't use White Scars Chapter Tactics.

[Axagoras]

The really helps me since most events around here follow the BAO ruleset which is now 1 combined arms detachment, 1 allied, and 1 other (knights or inquisition) and by having a revenwing command squad with a libby fill the allied white scar and inquisiiton roles (giving scout from liber herscius and presience) I can add knights into the army now

[tomsev]

black knight or ravenwing all the time the pain those squads can hand out is amazing