Dreadknight nemesis great sword

[Captain Coolpants]

The greatsword.... Does it really allow the dreadknight to have re-rolled strength 10 attacks like the previous faq said? Or must you choose which weapon the dreadknight uses in combat like you would normally for any other model?

I suppose the latter makes more sense because the dreadknight still has hammerhand.

[Valerian]

The greatsword.... Does it really allow the dreadknight to have re-rolled strength 10 attacks like the previous faq said?

 

Yep, that's what its rules say. 

[Captain Coolpants]

But the rule book states that models with 2 different weapons and abilities can't mix match rules. Haven't got the page number because it's a digital book

[lt051]

Still str 10. This was highly debated when codex was new, but as far as I know was cleared up in an old FAQ (not by any rule change, just gw explaining it a little clearer). It's why no one takes the hammer, all the options are str 10

[Captain Coolpants]

This is what I'm trying to say to my friend now. We had a game hours ago. And only now he's decided to bïtch about it. Probably because my dreadknight killed his landraider, vindicator, mauler fiend and soul grinder xD

 

But he's dead set on my having to choose which weapon is used for before attacking, and that old faqs mean nothing because it's a new edition. And he's making comparisons with a model with a power fist and a power claw, and saying it's the same as him re-rolling his fist attacks because of his claws shred rule....

[lt051]

The sword gives str 10 + rerolls, and you keep an extra attack for multiple weapons since you still have doomfist. Yes it a ridiculous, but it's how it works. You're not mixing weapon profiles, you're just using the sword

[Captain Juan Juarez]

...and that old faqs mean nothing because it's a new edition.

They count unless specifically specified - yeah that sounds stupid - otherwise or a new FAQ is released to supersede it.

I would also, depending on bitter/how good a friend they are, state that their tears taste like the finest champagne of victory

[Captain Coolpants]

But the sword is an unusual force weapon. Which is the user's strength, ap3,daemonbane. And the power fist is double strength ap2. They are separate weapons

[Grand Master Caloth]

And lightning claws and power fists are specialist weapons, not the greatsword

[lt051]

No, old faqs are removed from the site and unavailable. As weird as it is, they're void, for better or worse. The main issue with this in 5th was uncertainty on how dread weapons work on a monstrous creature. The anwser, it turns out, is exactly the same. After rereading the codex entry, the nemesis greatsword doesn't have a weapon profile, so you are just tacking rerolls onto you fists. The weapon profile you were quoting is nemesis sword, which is a pretty huge difference :)

[Captain Coolpants]

No, old faqs are removed from the site and unavailable. As weird as it is, they're void, for better or worse. The main issue with this in 5th was uncertainty on how dread weapons work on a monstrous creature. The anwser, it turns out, is exactly the same. After rereading the codex entry, the nemesis greatsword doesn't have a weapon profile, so you are just tacking rerolls onto you fists

No because all 'nemesis' weapons are unusual force weapons. Which are all ap3, user strength + any other abilities in its entry. As the nemesis greatsword doesn't have anything that says it's strength 10 then it's the user's strength. Re-roll to hit, wound, pen

[Captain Coolpants]

Because If you actually look in the Codex. None of the weapons have a dedicated profile in the book. Just says all nemesis weaponry (greatsword included as it has nemesis in its name) uses the unusual force weapons rule. The only reason nemesis hammers don't is because it explicitly says use to thunderhammer rules

I want it to be true. But my friend has convinced me that it's indeed been nerfed until a new faq

[lt051]

Ugh it's like 5th all over again. I see your point, I imagine there's a raw argument for it to act like it has been, but I can't remember what the old one was pre FAQ. It boiled down to the greatsword granted rerolls in combat, but you were using your doom fists. With the sweeping change to nemesis weapons that may not be valid anymore.

 

Nvm wording is "with" not "wielding" as every other weapon in our dex is, I'd go with that to apply the rerolls in combat

[Captain Coolpants]

It's so sucky! Lmao. Just seems mega stupid to not include the old, yet still very valid faqs in the new one. It's not like it would have even been any effort for GW. Just a simple copy and paste... They were happy enough to copy and paste profiles of tanks that we clearly have never had access too from another faq...

[IndigoJack]

Yes you get the re-rolls at S10. This is why: The nemesis force sword has a rule that says, "A Model (emphasis mine) with the Nemesis Greatsword re-rolls failed to Hit, To Wound, and armour penetration rolls in close combat." So what you do is always strike with your doomfist and get the re-rolls because you have the sword (though not necessarily striking with it).

[lt051]

^edit my above post, not the strongest argument but enough to keep it functioning the way it has been I believe. That may have been the 5th argument too, not sure

 

Edit: ah someone beat me to it

[Captain Coolpants]

I will try to bring these points up next time I see him. Because right now I wanna falcon punch him in his ovaries Lmao

 

I know the wording of the greatsword is kinda a loophole.

 

But the rulebook under

 

"more than one weapon", in the weapons section says; "if a model has more than one melee weapon, he must choose which one to attack with when it comes to striking blows-he cannot mix and match the abilities of several different melee weapons. However, it's worth remembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains +1 attack in close combat."

[lt051]

Yes, but the greatswords ability has nothing to do with it's weapon profile. Other examples that come to mind would be daemon blade random powers (certain ones, like ml1), and Eldrad's spear thing that gives bonus warp charges. Neither of these stop working if you use a different weapon for some reason. Great sword gives you combat rerolls, using a different wording than all of our other weapons. It's a small difference but obviously enough since gw later explained how it worked (without altering rules, which is the key part, it was a yes/no type question)

[IndigoJack]

The weapon isn't granted the rule, the model is. A model with a warding stave still gets the 2++ even if it uses grenades, right? Same principle. 

[lt051]

Well no. That would mean a model with a halberd would use grenades at a higher initiative. Since those weapons say wielding, which as far as I know means using in combat, it's all or nothing for their affects

[Captain Coolpants]

I really hope you guys are right. It seems the only real way to officially prove this is with an updated faq. Which we clearly won't get lol

[Captain Coolpants]

And the helberd does say " wielder of a a nemesis helberd strikes at +2 initiative". Doesn't actually say attacking/striking 'with'.. So I suppose you could weasel your way into using nades at higher initiative haha

[IndigoJack]

Not sure I read it that way (as far as the warding stave goes). If that's the case, if you have both a stave and grenades, you would never get your 2++ before your initiative step, as you don't choose which one to strike with until then (p.41 "...he must choose which one to strike with when he comes to strike blows"). So from my reading, you either always get the 2++, or you only get it during and after your initiative step, making it almost worthless on anything that isn't I5 or higher.

[Jakbal]

I bought a used NDK, and it is modeled with a Doom Hammer :(

[Valerian]

I bought a used NDK, and it is modeled with a Doom Hammer

Is it painted? How is it assembled, superglue or plastic cement?