Ishagu Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Errr... Am I reading this correctly?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Yes, flying bringers of doom. Fear the Grey Knights Flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 And where are you seeing this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Only if you use the Death from the Skies supplement, and if you upgrade to a Flying Ace. I don't recall the details, but have it at home to look up later.  V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Well, this is now officially the best non super heavy vehicle in 40k. Time for a new allied detachment! ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 just found the rules for it, and the FAQ. Honestly not that impressive imo. It's a 50 point upgrade that gives you a 1/3 chance at this particular option. The +1 to BS option is cool, but given that all of our weapons are twin-linked, is also not worth the cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Not to mention you're shelling 50 points out at a 1/3rd chance of gaining another WC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3722997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 'Death From The Skies' is bad. Don't use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 'Death From The Skies' is bad. Don't use it.I don't know, the ability to drop a D at your feet and Lol as you ignore it is priceless, and seems to me like its worth 50pts to fish for. Add to that the extra WC for the ML2 upgrade, it's not a bad option. I'll be trying it, just for the giggles. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I don't know, the ability to drop a D at your feet and Lol as you ignore it is priceless, and seems to me like its worth 50pts to fish for. Add to that the extra WC for the ML2 upgrade, it's not a bad option. I'll be trying it, just for the giggles. Its a lot of points to drop on a maybe, that can be Denied. I'd rather spend those points giving the Raven guns, like psy-bolts and hurricane sponsons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Â I don't know, the ability to drop a D at your feet and Lol as you ignore it is priceless, and seems to me like its worth 50pts to fish for. Add to that the extra WC for the ML2 upgrade, it's not a bad option. I'll be trying it, just for the giggles. Â Its a lot of points to drop on a maybe, that can be Denied. I'd rather spend those points giving the Raven guns, like psy-bolts and hurricane sponsons. Why would I not trick it out with Hurricanes and Psybolt bling? It's not like Vortex competes with shooting. Also, with Skyfire, Vortex of Doom can eat FMCs! Yeah, I still think its worth fishing for. Â SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Why would I not trick it out with Hurricanes and Psybolt bling? It's not like Vortex competes with shooting. Also, with Skyfire, Vortex of Doom can eat FMCs! Yeah, I still think its worth fishing for. 1/3. Meanwhile, your Raven could be firing 4 x S7 AP4 Rending, 3 x S6 AP4 and 12 x S5 AP5 shots into said MC. You would probably ground it with those shots.  The fact that it can be denied really kicks you while your down IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I love that we disagree. Its refreshing in its own way. /wink  SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I thought VoD was a blast, therefore it can't hit flyers/FMCs? Also, I don't think the chance of grounding with hurricane bolters and asscan is much higher than anything else, since you only take one grounding test at the end of the phase now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Vortex rule is pretty interesting now though. Â Don't think you can use Skyfire with it though, seeing as it is a blast. Even if you could, you could hit yourself based on that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3723965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 7th has an odd twist of wording in regards to Skyfire, blasts, and FMCs. A FMC still requires Skyfire to be hit, and Blasts cannot be snap fired. However, no where does it say FMC cannot be hit by by Blasts. A GK Stormraven can target and hit FMCs with Mindstrike Missiles due to the Blasts from Raven having Skyfire when the Mindstrikes are used. The same goes for Vortex, which would have Skyfire when cast by a Stormraven. Â SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3724094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Huh, that appears to be correct. Looks like mind strike missiles are even better now that they can hit FMC psykers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3724782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 In theory it would be nice until we give said FMC a 3+ inv on the perils table. xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3724832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 It's the risk you run with mindstrikes these days. I prefer to hope my opponent rolls a 1 and fails their leadership. It may be less likely, but sure is funnier! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpolle Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 How are you getting the missiles to hit a flyer, as blasts cannot target a flyer?? Â Polle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 No no, what he's saying is that you can't Snap Shoot blasts. However, because Flyers can always choose to shoot their weapons with Skyfire, he can legally target an FMC with blast weapons, as he's no longer Snap Shooting them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
playedsincedaemonhunters Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sorry to burst your bubbles.... read the "Hard to hit" paragraph on page 84. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Now read "Hard to Hit" on page 69 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
playedsincedaemonhunters Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I stand corrected. FMC can be hit by blasts with SF but zooming flyers cannot. Holy FMC ball clipping batman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292663-errr-stormravens-now-know-vortex-of-doom/#findComment-3725853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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