Phoros Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Imagine the chaos if an Alpharius origin novel was announced. I think it would be the fastest selling BL book ever. That will never happen - not even FW gave an official origin for Alpharius in Extermination. Instead, they gave multiple origins (several of which have been mentioned in the BL Heresy Novels), and followed each one with the statement "This is a lie" Well....the last line in that novel could be "this is a lie" but I fear that (depending on how good the book is) a lot of people would either burn them or just rage so hard Khorne would actually come into being. What if it was, in fact, like the explanations in Extermination: a collection of short stories, any or none of which could be true? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3727813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thats a pretty cool idea Phoros! Make the Alpharius origin novel into an Anthology, where each short story within is an entirely unique origin for Alpharius which ends with the sentence 'This Story is a Lie.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3727847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm not sure you need the this is a lie comment. Seems implied by the many many origin stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3727894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm not sure you need the this is a lie comment. Seems implied by the many many origin stories. Make it the book's tagline; the bit on the cover under the title. "These stories are lies". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3727934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 "Collectio de mendacium" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3728141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 *Possible spoiler about the fate of this Grendel character* Is this the same Cadares Grendel that is involved with Honsou in the 40k Ultramarines series? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3728674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3728676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I'd like more of a legion origin story. Maybe like a book or short story about a campaign to really flesh out the legion. But please dear Chaos Gods have certain authors peer edit their work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3728702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yep. You know what happens to him right? I think it's pretty cool though how some authors will take 40k traitor characters and insert them into the heresy. Actually makes me want to read about him knowing how he ends up in the future. See if there is a big personality change or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 That can be overdone, though. One begins to wonder how the Traitors ever lost the Heresy, if every one of the guys knocking around the Eye of Terror survived it. My own personal theory? "The Siege of Terra? Oh please. If every Chaos Marine that said he was at the Siege actually WAS there, it would have been like Woodstock!" -William the Bloody, Aspiring Champion of the Red Corsairs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah think Graham McNeil goes to far when just about every character from his 40k Iron Warriors are prominent characters in 30k to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 How lazy are they that they survived the intervening ten thousand years? Jeez, dudes, go pillage and kill occasionally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Oh, are appearances like this that prominent in the series? I could see that as pretty annoying. All I've heard of so far is Grendels appearance and I believe Ventanus of the Ultramarines. Granted he is not alive in 40k but they find his tomb in the last book. Cool little tie in I guess. In my opinion, even though I'm a hardcore loyalist, I almost get sad when I see a traitor marine that is from TEN THOUSAND YEARS in the past die. It should be a super special occurrence when that happens but in 40k they are a dime a dozen and are usually killed by some 40k up and comer. Makes 40k marines look like they would have slapped the traitor legions around in 30k. Like they don't get the concept that the traitor legions have been recruiting over a ten thousand year spread. But, instead it seems that ever traitor you see that is wearing legion colors HAS to be ten thousand years old. Total bs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 To be honest, Grendel is my favorite because...well, he never changed. He's just an Ironclad :cuss his whole life. I was relieved to see in Angel Exterminatus he's still the same old badass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 To be fair, with warp timey-wimey stuff they usually haven't survived 10,000 years. In Soul Hunter First Claw have only experienced 100 years since the Siege. I think it be changed in the later two but I'm almost certain it wasn't 10,000 years in the end. I like Wade's theory, that every CSM worth his salt claims to be at the Siege just to big themselves up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Rather than see books on the Primarchs origins, I'd prefer to see more books that focus on what will become the Second Founding and/or Warbands, even if the references are fleeting. Not sure if there are books with such pieces in already as I'm still quite far behind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3729580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor of Calth Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 That all depends on how it's done. If it's done through a primarchs eyes than hell no, but through the eyes of another it could be done right. Primarchs are best depicted through their dialogue with others and how others reflect on that. It's not by chance that the best primarch depictions in the series are one's such as these; -Argel Tal approaching Lorgar in the ashes of Monarchia. That scene stressed Lorgar's humilation better than being in his head ever could have. - In "The Crimson Fist" where the Iron Warriors are literally trembling in fear of Peturab, yet still conspiring to earn his favour. - The interactions between Hours and the early series mournival, nothing in the series has displayed Horus's charisma better Khan's board game with his flag catain. - Jaghat's conversation with his ship captain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3731821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Goat Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 That all depends on how it's done. If it's done through a primarchs eyes than hell no, but through the eyes of another it could be done right. Primarchs are best depicted through their dialogue with others and how others reflect on that. It's not by chance that the best primarch depictions in the series are one's such as these; -Argel Tal approaching Lorgar in the ashes of Monarchia. That scene stressed Lorgar's humilation better than being in his head ever could have. - In "The Crimson Fist" where the Iron Warriors are literally trembling in fear of Peturab, yet still conspiring to earn his favour. - The interactions between Hours and the early series mournival, nothing in the series has displayed Horus's charisma better Khan's board game with his flag catain. - Jaghat's conversation with his ship captain. +1 to this. The mystery of the Primarchs is lost when written from their perspective. But written from the perpspective of their sons it only enhances them, as they are seen how their sons want them to be, or fall short of those expectations, which is even better story-wise for example Angron in Betrayer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3738354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ok so I have alrady read all of the HH novels and now I am going back and listening to them now. I am lisenting to the Decent of Angels and it makes me crave this more and more. It is not from the perspective of the Lion but still fleshes out both the character of the Primarch but the legion as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3747718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I'd kill to have a true account of angrons origins. The red sands was the best story you truly got inside his head. I'd want to see angron in his glorious days on the arena and the true relationships with gladiator breatheren and sisters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3748320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malorn24 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 That is what I am talking about! Angron is painted as this mad man/ insane mass murder. However how many times does it reference him disgusted with his legion because of the resentment that the Big E took him before that last battle. At least that would flesh out betrayer alot more when he returns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292665-primarch-origins-novels-would-be-great/page/3/#findComment-3748618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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