Lysimachus Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hey all, Haven't bought the new rules yet but I've heard that changes to the Interceptor rule mean that the ADL's quad-AC can't fire at ground targets (or maybe only snap shots, not sure?). My list runs an ADL with a basic Techmarine gunner for fairly cheap anti-flyer duties and to provide some defensive boosts (the line itself, cover save boost and the CC deterrent of AP1 weapon and 2+ save) to my firebase units, with the bonus of being able to take potshots at ground targets if there aren't any flyers on the board (plus the Techy is a fluffy choice for my Chapter, who are IH Successors). Anyway, the question: I'm just wondering if losing the utility of being equally effective against air/ground targets makes the quad-AC ADL a poor choice now? Still worth it for 100pts? (plus some sort of gunner, obviously) All thoughts very welcome! Lysimachus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The techmarine can't boost the cover save of the Aegis Defence Line. I won't be taking an Aegis anymore for the Quad Gun, but it's still very useful to hide your tanks behind... The new improved Jink will make the Quad Gun mostly ineffective against av12 flyers. I believe the best AA is simply taking a few Stormtalons or Ravens... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3724482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 For the same price as a techmarine and ADL you can take a pair of the AA tanks. You trade interceptor for twice the shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3724503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markham82 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I vote for a stormtalon. It has more shots than the quadgun of which four are also t/linked and can pen AV14( just remember to bring those good vibes) and has excellent shooting at ground targets. I think it also beats the AA tanks for versatility, what if the other guy doesn't bring flyers. However the AA tanks are technically more survivable because there's 2 of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3724895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Stormtalons really benefit from redundancy. Bring two for great effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3725004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 Thanks guys! The techmarine can't boost the cover save of the Aegis Defence Line. Oh, I know, sorry not being clear, I just meant that both things will boost the firebase units defenses, assuming I get some ruins to bolster. For the same price as a techmarine and ADL you can take a pair of the AA tanks. You trade interceptor for twice the shooting. Fair point, but my precious HS slots are already filled with devs and a Pred and LRC. Hence the ADL. The Stormtalon is an interesting idea, the army at 2k does include one already but perhaps a second in support would be wiser than the ADL? (Would have to rejig some stuff to find 25pts extra, as the Techmarine is a fluff choice and not going anywhere, but think it could work) Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3725118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markham82 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Definitely get the second talon and a third if possible( I have serious love affair with them). The problem with only one is that they are fragile so you might end up making snapshots with it until it gets taken out. Also if you have two you have a better chance of getting one on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3725337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 As others mentionned, the Stormtalons are greate anti air, especially with Skyhammer missiles, but you need to have multiple fliers for them to be effective. If you have some kind of Reserve manipulation, I'd roll 2 of them or 3 if you have the room. If not, then I prefer to have them escort a Stormraven simply to make sure both come at the same time on the board ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3725712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 +1 vote for the storm talon. When I get to play (rare) I run two with SMLs and reserve manipulation (ADL/CR usually.) I've considered running the TLHB when points are very tight. Both versions I think are a great value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3726395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Take a pair of Talons at least - numbers game means it's 4 times harder to kill one than just one on it's own. Have one escorting a Stormraven if you want to rule the skies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3726406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 What about for Chaos Marines? Stick to durp chickens? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3726876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 What about for Chaos Marines? Stick to durp chickens?For a similar price I think the Firestorm is a better buy. Even at BS2, you're averaging two LC hits per turn. That's not bad at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3726941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 What about Fire Raptors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3727049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fire Raptors are always a good choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3727080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What about Fire Raptors? Aren't they limited to S5 primarily? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3728992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Their weapons are primarily s6, ap3, and ap4 respectively. Now the relic rule is interesting saying I need a Warpsmith... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3731034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I might actually consider the Icarus again, as the value of AP2 has increased. Saves you some points and you still have the actual defense line for cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3731060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I ran an Icarus along with Sgt Telion, and it was such an awesome way to snipe characters from my opponent's list... Target the plasma guys in a tac squad, the termie with the assault cannon, the eldar gun turret and so on.... Now it sucks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292742-adl-with-quad-ac-in-7th/#findComment-3731237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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