Riptides and Assault

[Ulrock]

If a riptide assaults say a demolisher, does the demolisher get any swings back in combat? I found the part about vehicles being treated as ws1 but then it talks about if a vehicle wins combat. My friend said vehicles don't get attacks so how exactly are they suppose to win combat?

[Black Cohort]

Walkers can win combat.  Or a vehicle can be part of a multi-assault where their side wins.  Vehicles other than walkers don't get to make attacks in close combat, but if they survive they are not locked in combat so can just drive away.

[Kristoff]

Walkers can win combat. Or a vehicle can be part of a multi-assault where their side wins. Vehicles other than walkers don't get to make attacks in close combat, but if they survive they are not locked in combat so can just drive away.

Chariots do now, with Hammer of Wrath and being stuck in Combat.

 

And who knows, maybe they'll give Chaos Vehicles Marks again, and Khorne Rhinos can tear it up.

[Dam13n]

The demolisher may be WS1 (for the purposes of being hit) but it has no attack characteristic. So it cannot attack anything in close combat.

[SvenONE]

The WS1 I believe is to simulate that the vehicle has moved or is moving and the model trying to hit it is trying to hit it, whereas if the vehicle hadn't moved then your hits are resolved automatically.

[Effreem]

Non-walker vehicles can also win combat based on bonuses. 

If the riptide charges a Deathwing land raider with a command squad/ banner in range, then (if the bonus applies, I dont remember off the top of my head) if the riptide does no damage it will lose combat by 1 (unless it has a bonus of its own.)

 

EDIT: I think vehicles always count as WS 1 now, even if stationary.

[IamJacksUserName]

I haven't played the chaos codex in a while, does Khârn still kill his own squad on rolls of 1 to hit? That would be an amazingly hilarious way to lose combat to a vehicle.

[Dam13n]

He does, however his warlord trait gives him hatred so he hits on a 2+ with re-rolls. He also has 7 attacks at S7 when he charges, with armourbane and AP2. So he'll mess up any vehicle he gets into combat with.

 

... oh and he's fearless, so even if he did somehow lose combat against the vehicle, he wouldn't care.

[Gentlemanloser]

Please let there be some obscure way for him to lose the combat and fall back.

 

And for the Rhino to Sweeping Advance him.

 

Removed form play by being run over by a Rhino!  BEEP BEEP

[Trevak Dal]

 

Walkers can win combat. Or a vehicle can be part of a multi-assault where their side wins. Vehicles other than walkers don't get to make attacks in close combat, but if they survive they are not locked in combat so can just drive away.

Chariots do now, with Hammer of Wrath and being stuck in Combat.

 

And who knows, maybe they'll give Chaos Vehicles Marks again, and Khorne Rhinos can tear it up.

 

 

Whatever they 'do' for Chaos (if they do anything), it will suck, or be something unasked for and unwanted, because it's based off Phil's *ahem* "Efforts" and he has failed Chaos.

[Leonaides]

How do you 'fail chaos'? Surely you only end up 'feeding it' and becoming a spawn?