jumping goat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hello I have spent several years collecting 40k but now I think its time to join in the horus heresy and build a world eaters army. Before I throw hundreds of dollars at forge world I thought I would ask for some advice I don't want just another well balanced space marine army, I want an extreamly close combat orientated world eaters force. I want a force that Khârn would have led at the later stages of the horus heresy. Im thinking of using mostly mkIV power armour. Things I realy want to include are Khârn, red butchers, rampagers and chain axes gallore. I am looking at building a 2000pts army Here is my list so far with 190 pts left over. HQ 170 Khârn Elites 185 X5 red butchers X2 axes each Champ with x2 chainfists 175 Contemptor dreadnought Extra close combat weapon 405 X10 rampagers with jump packs X5 caedere weapons (not sure which ones to go with) Champ with artificer armour and power fist Troops 280 X20 Despoilers (kharns retinue) Bolter exchanged for chainaxes Nuncio-vox Champ with power fist and melta-bombs 435 X20 assault marines Power weapon Champ has lightning claws and melta-bombs Heavy support 160 X5 heavy support marines with autocannons What do you think of my list? What shall I add? Another five red butchers with claws? Can mkIV chainsword hands be easily converted to hold the forgeworld khorne bezerker chainaxe set? Will the forgeworld khorne bezerker conversion set mix well with mkIV armour (I will cut off the bunny ears)? Should I buy a sons of horus reaver set to mix the parts into the desploiler squad? At what stage of the horus heresy was the khorne symbol used? I have read the novels in order up to book 16 age of darkness, Im thinking of skipping ahead to follow the world eaters story. Which book shall I read next? Any replys will be much appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The main problem, I think, you'll find at the 2k points range would be people bringing more armor and having enough blob squads that could Fury of the Legion and wipe out your squads rather rapidly or template them to death via other means (pride of the Legion Terminator Blobs come to mind) Feel free to take a look at the HH Tactica section here for more info on what other HH units can do. While I get that you're going for a Fluff list and can't fault you for that, Do remember that the WE were praised by Ferrus for their use of Vindicators as screens for the footsloggers. So: For anything thats going to footslog it across the table, I'd recommend either a LR Spartan (can carry 20 models - 10 terminators but its 98 pounds) or some form of LR since they will keep your units alive and with the assault ramp let them get to work as soon as they jump out rather than get shot to death before moving - although they are pricey points-wise they will greatly increase the odds of your footsloggers getting to where they need to be by a significant margin. The Chain/power fists and Melta bombs spread around is a great start as are the 5 man Auto Cannons. 1) List is solid imo, just needs vehicles for the units that are going to want to get into melee by footslogging it 2)Not sure about the Legion Specific units being an Imperial Fists player/rather new to the HH setting 3)You have the Legion Phobos Chainaxe set that comes with hands already - sadly its 5 axes and 5 pistols, although the hand grips are alternating. Other than that I don't see what would complicate the conversion. 4) You now have the WE legion Veterans Helms (pre chaosification - still has the bunny ears) and the WE MK II head upgrades (gladiator style no ears) as options if you want them to be less Khorne-y (heyo word play ). Barring those, since theyre made to go with the standard GW plastics, and the other legion PA MKs are made to be mix-mash-able I see no reason why it would cause you any trouble. 5)Depends on how much of the Reavers you're going to use - if only for the odd bit or two, not worth it, imo. Another option to explore would the the Word Bearer's Ashen Circle - Cool axes and the Helms are nice. Since Cochlisian writings are chaos influenced, you could use some of the armor parts for the more worshipy units in your force. 6) I'd say that they started getting all Khornate slightly before the seige of terra but after Istvaan. The Symbol itself however I'd say Scouring Period (others feel free to correct/enlighten me on this point) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3726666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The best World Eaters book written has got to be Betrayer by A-D B. It might also help your list survive by adding a few apothecaries to your blob squads, one of the most famous WE pit fighters was an Apothecary. (Again, read betrayer it is fantastic). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3726672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgermeister Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 looking at your assault marines - what do you think about running another 20 despoilers in a storm eagle instead? a little more - yup you'll need to drop a guy to squeeze a medic in but wouldnt this be a better option? also, with your surplus points you may want to consider a sicaran. I love the list - it reads like one of the betrayer scenes where the nails start singing on mass and everybody just chins off the battleplan and gets lost with bloodlust. Do you not think gorechild is worth the extra 20pts as well? as Angron is a daemon prince at terra its never going to not be an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3726720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Gore child is most definitely worth it. ap2, armour bane along side kharns own rules makes it lethal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3726801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I think you should also do a Betrayer themed force, but you need more armor to move your guys up the field to kill or else they will move super slow and get shot to death in 7th, plus tanks just got better because of the new damage table and cover. Take the Berzerker rite of war to get the extra cc rules and put most of your guys in rhinos/land raiders (get 40k land raiders for cheap off of eBay and strip them and buy the upgrade kit if you like). I personally don't think the caedere are any good other than against mechanicum but YMMV. Red butchers are awesome though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumping goat Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Thanks for the replys, you are all a great help:-) I like the idea of having a couple of spartan assault tanks or storm eagles but they are extreamly expensive. Maybe I should buy one spartan and three rhinos (can always find cheap rhinos on ebay) or will two spartans be much more effective? I will take the advice on using gor child and buying apothecarys. Will I be better off dropping the jump packs on my rampagers and giving them a rhino? How shall I make the most of the red butchers? How shall I deploy them? Shall I bump up the squad to ten? Give any claws? Is it very unfluffy and noticable not buying the MKIC deimos pattern rhino conversion kit? I like the idea of marines having to use whatever weapons and equipment they can get there hands on in the later stages of the horus heresy. Would it look ok using the MKII power weapons on MIV armour? What do you think of having various patterns of armour throughout the army? I will start to read betrayer to give me some more ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thanks for the replys, you are all a great help:-) I like the idea of having a couple of spartan assault tanks or storm eagles but they are extreamly expensive. Maybe I should buy one spartan and three rhinos (can always find cheap rhinos on ebay) or will two spartans be much more effective? I will take the advice on using gor child and buying apothecarys. Will I be better off dropping the jump packs on my rampagers and giving them a rhino? How shall I make the most of the red butchers? How shall I deploy them? Shall I bump up the squad to ten? Give any claws? Is it very unfluffy and noticable not buying the MKIC deimos pattern rhino conversion kit? I like the idea of marines having to use whatever weapons and equipment they can get there hands on in the later stages of the horus heresy. Would it look ok using the MKII power weapons on MIV armour? What do you think of having various patterns of armour throughout the army? I will start to read betrayer to give me some more ideas. If you can afford it, one Spartan is all you need :) I have one and they are just shy of a super heavy on the table. Athrawes and his dastardly 2nd legion won't fight it unless he is allowed to bring his knight lancer lol. Money and points well spent. I want to see someone take at least one squad of assault marines because I love the idea and look of world eaters jumping across to smack some face. As for mkV and mkII armor mixed together, they will look beautiful...just take a peek at some of the pictures online of the artwork in Betrayal (the 1st book in the Heresy game series). The WEs have special "Sarum" pattern helmets which look like mkVs. As for my theoretical list, I would run: Khârn DCCW contemptor 5 butchers in a Land raider 10 veterans with furious charge and 2-3 power weapons in a spartan or land raider(Khârn's retinue) 15 assault marines 15 assault marines The butchers and vets push up in their armored walls hopefully soaking up any AT your enemy can throw and shrug it off by overloading your enemy with high value targets. The contemptor runs behind the raiders as protection till he can get in and smash stuff. The two 15 man assault squads jump alongside the raiders to prevent any flankers and get some cover from the tanks. Stay calm And Assault the enemy :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I have 10 assault marines and 5 rampagers with jump packs! I need more bodies for both units though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I have a Betrayer-themed World Eaters army that is about 50% complete (just need to add another 20-man tactical squad, round out the assault squad, and give them an armored section of two Sicarans and a Spartan, all at 3000 points). If you want some references, check out the link in my signature. I would use the Phobos chainaxes/bolt pistols kit to complete the tactical squad. Not the cheapest of options, but the most authentic. I would up the number of Red Butchers. They are pound for pound one of the best Legion-specific units and a small Terminator squad just does not pack the same punch as a full squad of ten would. The World Eaters veteran helmets come with the bunny ears. However I think they only look their best on Mark II or III armor, so you can consider giving them to the Rampagers (the bare heads just do not look right to me). You should consider investing in a few apothecaries. They would keep your squads alive. As mentioned before, the famed Khornate champion Kargos Bloodspitter was once an apothecary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgermeister Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 a lot of 2k lists do revolve round 2 large robust troop selections + medics, spartan + large mob of melee specialists and a fluffy HQ. This is what i'm doing with my WBs by using Gal Vorbak as the punching power with Erebus as HQ support. Using despoilers as your troops would be pretty cost effective and release you points to put some 'distraction' in from them being shot at? or equally give you something like a vindicator to deal with the abundance of AV13 your likely to face. Dependant how you paint your force - as you start gaming your can just toothbrush flick more blood effects on them as the HH evolves towards the siege on terra :) Enjoy Betrayer - you are in for a treat! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292853-need-help-buying-a-world-eaters-army/#findComment-3727699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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