Frater Cornelius Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Now we all know (or at least heard) that the new Wyvern is pretty decent for its points *cough* So decent, that I hardly see any more Artillery going on, despite most of them being quite decent. The Manticore is fairly deadly to hordes and can glance vehicles pretty darn well and is the death of any parking lot. With Prescience those things can become even deadlier. Sure, they can not fire directly, thus it has a minimal range of 24" which can be an issue on 1 of 3 deployments, but even then you can just put it into a corner and have it fire. Then there is the Basilisk, death incarnate to transports and anything that is MEQ and less. They have no range limit though anything less that 36" has to be fired indirectly. With Prescience 2 of these bad boys squadronned can be a pain to stacked armour and infantry and they can even glance av13 and av14 to death. While they have 1 less Strength on their weapon, they are more consistent and reliable. So, what your take on our big guns? Worth it at all? I, for my part, am eying the 'lisks to add some Oomph! to my infantry dakka list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniard Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I acutlly got to play a game yesterday against necrons and I had a wyvern and be able to re roll the scatter die with four shots each turn. I had a pretty easy time smacking around some of the regualer squads the other person had hidden in cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I use wyvern. I proxie a deathstrike for a laugh now and then. Tried manticores but too unreliable as you seem to buying a 4 x 3 big blast laucher but I never ever rolled for 3 in one shot. Plus the armies I face never stay away long enough. Plus ap4 is not good enough. Badilisk should be apoc with that range. Just no good for points imo. Better off with forgeworld or russ' s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I like griffons and medusas... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Earthshakers. Because being able to shell the other side of the store never gets old. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Manticores, but I've got a thing for Str 10 that just isn't satisfied by other artillery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I liked my Medusa...and once proxied it as a Colossus. Marines didn't know what to do! With what we now have in the codex I'm looking to a Wyvern or two, and Russes will bring the rest of my big guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Well...if we're including proper tanks...Demolisher. Accept no substitute! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I like Basilisk Platform. They are dirt cheap for what they do ! Also, Wyvern are good but I'm very unlucky with them. When you roll scatter 11'' and scatter 12'' on your first barrage, which means eveyrthing else will touch nothing, you know that game is not gonna end well lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 but....but....but....we're told that four blasts always equals 12 hits! j/k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Griffons. Damn you GW I hope you're reading this! :P The Manticore is fun, but not quite as good now (still potent though). Wyverns are yet to be added to my collection but we all know they're a fantastic infantry killer for the price. For my preferred and all time favourite it is the Bassie. Lobbing shells of doom as far as the eye can see is the epitome of Guard artillery. Point and shoot then watch your problems fly away (in lots of tiny chunks) :lol: The range can be a bit of an issue, but all good artillery armies have a solid infantry core to hold the enemy back right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoqqu Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Deathstrike is fun. Not the most effective necessarily when it comes to actual damage but it plays with your enemy's head till it launches and when it does it's pure joy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I haven't actually got any artillery yet, but if I did buy some it'd likely be the Wyvern, first. I've been running a 3x Mortar HWT, and it's just inferior in every single way to what a Wyvern could be for an additional 5pts. That aside, I'd probably get a Basilisk, though with a few modifications as the existing model seems a bit dated. That or a Deathstrike for giggles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 My poor mortars :( They're still useful though and I will be reminding people of this when the next codex inevitably nerfs the Wyvern somehow :P The Bassie is the quintessential artillery piece so everyone should have one (ideally two), it's a shame that some of the other pieces were dropped from the current codex as they gave us plenty of cool options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thudd guns, nuff said! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I always thought the indirect fire thing on bassies made them kind of useless. Now that they pretty much always need line of sight you can't just hide them in a corner and blast things into oblivion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Indirect Fire doesn't work the way most people think, though. It just means you don't adjust for BS within the minimum range. A lot of people seem to think you can't fire at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Indeed, barrage weapons are great like that :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Inside minimum range you need to have line of sight, though - right?. Which makes it harder to hide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I don't think so, I may have to read up and see what changes 7th brought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Not in 6th and as far as I'm aware that hasn't changed in 7th. I'm at work though so someone else will have to check the rule book :P I made a primer on the artillery rules for 6th here, I'll see if I can find the time to update it for 7th if required :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 ("Barrage" Pg. 450 - 451, electronic edition) Inside min range you need LineOfSight (and subtract BS from scatter roll), outside min range it can be indirect but will scatter the full 2D6. Hits against vehicles are always resolved against side armour and when seeing if a model gets a cover save, you must take it from teh centre of the blast and not the firer. Multiple barrage are cool, you roll to place the first shot, and then only roll the scatter dice (not 2d6) and place the next blast marker touching the first. A HIT lets you place it anywhere, so a more numerous cheaper blast marker could be used to help a larger more expensive one land better, with a bit of luck. Pretty tasty rules, they've put the hurt on my Marines a few times! -edited to add reference page number- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Cheers Immortals, that's what I was getting at - inside 36" you need to see your target to fire it at all. Not impossible to deal with, but annoying if you want them to sit at the back and blow things up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Could you post the page numbers from the rulebook please? It'll help people out when referencing and most important of all it'll save me time when I get round to updating the artillery primer :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Done ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292879-your-preferred-artillery/#findComment-3727999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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