mcpolle Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Played a little one day tourney at the weekend, had great fun, but was looking at the table next to me, which had Broadsides in a Bastion, and I was thinking, if I had to play that Tau army, I would be in some serious trouble, as I have nothing to take it out. So, what do you guys do against the Bastion?? Cheers Polle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I rarely see broadsides with skyfire and interceptor, so my stormraven w/ TLMM and TLLC is usually a good option. additionally, we have access to melta through henchman (who can be delpoyed via the stormraven or valk if you're using inquisition). Then there's also psycannons who can rend them down. Dreadknights can also beat it to death. Honestly, bastionsides are a pretty rough matchup for us, so be sure you have multiple avenues of approach. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Psycannons, lots of Psycannons. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I rarely see broadsides with skyfire and interceptor, so my stormraven w/ TLMM and TLLC is usually a good option. additionally, we have access to melta through henchman (who can be delpoyed via the stormraven or valk if you're using inquisition). Then there's also psycannons who can rend them down. Dreadknights can also beat it to death. Honestly, bastionsides are a pretty rough matchup for us, so be sure you have multiple avenues of approach. Just so I'm clear on how these rules (skyfire and interceptor) work in the new edition: Skyfire means you can fire normally at flying targets, and can only fire snapshots against ground targets. Interceptor means you can make an interception shot if an enemy unit arrives from reserve within your maximum range. However, a model with skyfire can ONLY EVER fire snapshots against a ground target. The caveat that the Interceptor rule allows Skyfrire weapons to fire at ground targets without penalty is gone, isn't it? At least, I can't find it in the new rules. So, if those Broadsides had skyfire, you could just walk up to them and punch them in the face, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Tau velocity tracker allows a model to choose (or not) the skyfire rule every shooting turn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Ah. But for other models (like the Quad gun) that has both Skyfire and Interceptor, they can only fire snap shots at ground targets, yes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Can you charge units inside a Bastion? If so, just apply Dreadknight to them like normal. If not, you'll need to hack the building apart first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3727729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I your opponent uses bastions on a regular basis, a chimera with 3 multi-melta servitors, 2 jokaero and Coteaz is fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3728126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 But if you move the chimera then none of the servitors can fire their heavy weapons can they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3728326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Snap shots, but rolling a "6" on 5 shots is not bad. Next turn, you should be able to shoot on normal BS. It's a one-trick pony, though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3728559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 You look at their bastion model. Unless they used more then 1 bastion kit, if they put a door on it, it WILL have at least 1 side with only 1 or with no firepoints. usually that side will be the door, and as far back in their DZ as possible. Thats where you assault in with a squad with a hammer or 2. Easy? no. Doable, Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3729752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Snap shots, but rolling a "6" on 5 shots is not bad. Next turn, you should be able to shoot on normal BS. It's a one-trick pony, though! Those servitors are also going to need an inquisitor to prevent mind-lock. Also, you'll probably never get to fire it at full ballistic skill. With nearly every unit in the tau arsenal toting at least S5, those AV10 sides on the chimera are going to crumple fast. Honestly, you'd have a better chance with a techmarine w/ orbital strike. The lance strike is S10 AP1 w/ lance, and with some prescience to help get the smallest scatter possible, you might be able to bring it down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3729837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Take off. Nuke the site from orbit. Only way to be sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3729848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Vindicate assassin turbo penitrator round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3738278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No longer rending. /sob Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3738738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No longer rending. Sniper rifles still Rend though, so...wat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3738815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Still 4d6 so it still takes it down ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3738832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Sniper rifles still Rend though, so...wat? Do they? I thought that Sniper no longer gave Rending? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3738840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 S4 against vehicles now too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Can you charge units inside a Bastion? If so, just apply Dreadknight to them like normal. If not, you'll need to hack the building apart first. RD, no... the closest you can do is use grenades, or flamers, or damage the building... Or bring it crashing down around their ears. Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Well, the OP had problems with Tau inside a bastion... And these freaks have no ears. What should I do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 flying dreadknight. jump over there and beat it/them to death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Can you charge a building you've fired into? I'm just thinking, you shoot your heavy incinerator into the building (frying the unit inside), then charge the building and kill it in melee? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The flamers at the fire points to hurt the folks inside no longer works. You can also no longer assault the building to throw grenades thru the windows. You either have to pull he building down, or go in after them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292881-the-bastion-how-do-you-guys-tackle-it/#findComment-3739615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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